• Re: Florida Amendments

    From Ron L.@1:120/616 to Aaron Thomas on Mon Nov 11 07:42:38 2024
    Aaron Thomas wrote to Dr. What <=-

    That's being a little too optimistic. He (Adams) claims that they're leaving NYC and going to places like upstate NY and/or back to Texas.

    Probably. But they aren't in the city anymore, so Adams is happy.

    Hochul is probably not happy, though.

    Many of these migrants are coming from countries that don't even have anything worth stealing. But here in the states, this is a thief's
    dream come true.

    That works until they leave Left-run areas. Rednecks handle thiefs differently.


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  • From Ron L.@1:120/616 to IB Joe on Mon Nov 11 07:42:38 2024
    IB Joe wrote to Dr. What <=-

    As long as it speeds up the process. And the government just prints
    money anyway, it won't cost us a thing.

    But it does cost us plenty.

    Printing money = Inflation = Tax on everyone's money, even what we have sitting in retirement funds, savings, etc.


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  • From jimmylogan@1:105/7 to Alan Ianson on Mon Nov 11 07:41:36 2024
    Alan Ianson wrote to jimmylogan <=-

    What about the women affected? Don't they have any say?

    I'm saying that if the majority want abortion on demand, they need to
    get out and vote for it.

    There was just a vote for president, but there was no vote for
    abortion. Why should/would there be?

    Did you read my comments on representative republic? People vote for
    and against issues every time they elect a senetor or representative,
    or even a school board member or county commissioner.

    Since the majority of voters are sending conservatives to my state legislation, the lawmakers are supporting defendig the unborn.

    Actually, since Donald Trump is saying the states are now voting on it maybe there should be a vote. Was there a vote for it in Tennessee.

    Not on the ballet this year, becasue - again - the majority are
    conservative because that is what is being sent to the legislature
    each year.

    Why does your beliefs on the matter mean more than the womans?

    It doesn't, but it should matter equally. The unborn hasn't reached
    a voting age yet, just like a toddler or teen hasn't. I'm simply
    expressing my desire that they not be sacrificed.



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  • From jimmylogan@1:105/7 to Ron L. on Mon Nov 11 07:41:36 2024
    Ron L. wrote to Aaron Thomas <=-

    Aaron Thomas wrote to Dr. What <=-

    That works until they leave Left-run areas. Rednecks handle thiefs differently.

    This is a good point! Tennessee is a 'gun toting' state. I won't shoot
    you in the back for stealing my television, but I will defend myself
    and others if you threaten by coming into my house while I am home.




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  • From IB Joe@1:342/201 to Mike Powell on Mon Nov 11 10:56:24 2024
    On 10 Nov 2024, Mike Powell said the following...

    Most abortions (93%) happened in the first trimester.

    Throwing a "60% of late term" number out, making it sound like a big number, is inaccurate. It would come out to 4 out of every 100 total abortions, or 4%. If "late term" is third trimester only, it would come out to 1 out of every 200, or 0.5%.


    There's nothing you can do to convince me... It's only 100,000 babies terminated in the later months.

    Lets make it law... 1st trimester and any point after that... Cannot be elective and has to be a valid reason to terminate it... and the baby is not viable.

    Every time someone brings this up the Democrats go nuts.

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  • From IB Joe@1:342/201 to jimmylogan on Mon Nov 11 11:00:00 2024
    On 10 Nov 2024, jimmylogan said the following...

    That's the crux of the matter. All of this talk about 'freedom' is
    freedom to murder. SMH


    I think the only way to fix this is give the unborn constitutional rights.

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  • From IB Joe@1:342/201 to Ron L. on Mon Nov 11 11:11:46 2024
    On 11 Nov 2024, Ron L. said the following...

    IB Joe wrote to Dr. What <=-

    As long as it speeds up the process. And the government just prints money anyway, it won't cost us a thing.

    But it does cost us plenty.

    Printing money = Inflation = Tax on everyone's money, even what we have sitting in retirement funds, savings, etc.


    Hello @RonL... sarcasm

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  • From Alan Ianson@1:153/757 to jimmylogan on Tue Nov 12 05:02:46 2024
    jimmylogan wrote to Alan Ianson <=-

    There was just a vote for president, but there was no vote for
    abortion. Why should/would there be?

    Did you read my comments on representative republic? People vote for
    and against issues every time they elect a senetor or representative,
    or even a school board member or county commissioner.

    What I am saying is those representatives are going against the will of the people (in this matter).

    Since the majority of voters are sending conservatives to my state legislation, the lawmakers are supporting defendig the unborn.

    It doesn't matter to me much if the people have voted conservative or not. Those representatives are not representing the will of the people (in this matter).

    Actually, since Donald Trump is saying the states are now voting on it maybe there should be a vote. Was there a vote for it in Tennessee.

    Not on the ballet this year, becasue - again - the majority are conservative because that is what is being sent to the legislature
    each year.

    Maybe it doesn't need to be on the ballot if women already have these rights. I don't know if that is the case in in Tennesse.

    Why does your beliefs on the matter mean more than the womans?

    It doesn't, but it should matter equally. The unborn hasn't reached
    a voting age yet, just like a toddler or teen hasn't. I'm simply expressing my desire that they not be sacrificed.

    If you are simply expressing your desire I have no issue.

    It is when demanding a woman do this or that against her own wishes that I take issue. A womand should have the right to privacy, and to make her own decisions.

    Ttyl :-),
    Al

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  • From Ron L.@1:120/616 to jimmylogan on Tue Nov 12 08:18:16 2024
    jimmylogan wrote to Dr. What <=-

    This is a good point! Tennessee is a 'gun toting' state. I won't shoot
    you in the back for stealing my television, but I will defend myself
    and others if you threaten by coming into my house while I am home.

    Exactly. Did you notice in the Democrat Summer of Love that all of the riots occurred in Left-run areas? Everyone else would have shot back.


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  • From Ron L.@1:120/616 to IB Joe on Tue Nov 12 08:18:16 2024
    IB Joe wrote to Dr. What <=-

    Printing money = Inflation = Tax on everyone's money, even what we have sitting in retirement funds, savings, etc.

    Hello @RonL... sarcasm

    That's why we usually mark is **sarcasm**. Verbal cues don't work well via messages.


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  • From IB Joe@1:342/201 to Ron L. on Tue Nov 12 07:45:14 2024
    On 12 Nov 2024, Ron L. said the following...

    Hello @RonL... sarcasm

    That's why we usually mark is **sarcasm**. Verbal cues don't work well via messages.


    I'll work on my non-visual cues.

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  • From IB Joe@1:342/201 to Mike Powell on Tue Nov 12 12:30:40 2024
    On 12 Nov 2024, Mike Powell said the following...

    If I use your percentage - 60% elective after the first trimester - and the percentage of abortions that are not first trimester - 7% - there
    has been no year where that would account for 100,000 babies. It would
    be less than 4,000 that are elective after the first trimester.


    Stop it...

    I saw a graph today that made me saw wow... It showed a graph of abortions performed since Roe... AND OMG... Abortions peaked in around 1990... It continued to decline, steady I might add, until the courts sent it back to the state. After that date there has been an increase in abortions.

    Since 1990 abortions performed have decreased by ~ 2/3rds... Shocking, to me anyway. Giving expectant mothers the choice and assistance they seem to go with having the baby.

    I say give women the support they need and if they choose to have an abortion have it early on...

    If you guys on the left keep pushing unfeathered abortion any time... you might be sorry someday as someone might push for the rights of the unborn.

    I believe no one should kill a viable and healthy unborn baby... Just hours or days before it could be born naturally.

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  • From IB Joe@1:342/201 to Mike Powell on Tue Nov 12 12:36:42 2024
    On 12 Nov 2024, Mike Powell said the following...


    How many of those thousands of kids can I put you down for adopting?



    There are people waiting to adopt... They'll be sent out to nice homes. I turn 61 tomorrow. My oldest is ~40 and I have a 14 year old in the house... She is 1 year younger than my youngest granddaughter and I have a pissed off Lesbian Marxist living in the basement... to boot... I'm shocked she hasn't come up from her room claiming she's joined the 4B movement.

    I've done my share of perpetuating life. I did what Trump did, has more than 1 baby mama... But I didn't do it with Billions of dollars and a great head of hair.

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  • From Mike Powell@1:2320/105 to IB JOE on Wed Nov 13 09:48:00 2024
    Since 1990 abortions performed have decreased by ~ 2/3rds... Shocking, to me anyway. Giving expectant mothers the choice and assistance they seem to go with having the baby.

    Yeah, I posted something less than a week ago that used two different
    sources that both said they were on a steady decline (but since the early 1980s).

    I say give women the support they need and if they choose to have an abortion have it early on...

    Yes.

    If you guys on the left keep pushing unfeathered abortion any time... you
    igh
    be sorry someday as someone might push for the rights of the unborn.

    I am not on the left. I am on the side of logic and math, and not the side
    of emotion and feelings -- things the left normally uses.

    Mathematically, as you found out on your own, there is no big mass killing of babies. Mathematically, there are also very few second and third trimester abortions. Should there probably be fewer? Yes!

    I believe no one should kill a viable and healthy unborn baby... Just hours
    r
    days before it could be born naturally.

    As I have said in other posts, viability should be the point of
    determination as to whether or not it should be done. That is how Ohio
    does it. During Roe v. Wade, that is how our state used to do it. That is
    how the USA as a whole handled it until the AMA and others started sticking their noses into it not long before the Civil War.


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  • From Mike Powell@1:2320/105 to IB JOE on Wed Nov 13 09:29:00 2024
    There are people waiting to adopt... They'll be sent out to nice homes. I
    ur
    61 tomorrow. My oldest is ~40 and I have a 14 year old in the house... She
    s
    1 year younger than my youngest granddaughter and I have a pissed off Lesbian Marxist living in the basement... to boot... I'm shocked she hasn't come up from her room claiming she's joined the 4B movement.

    I would assume as a Lesbian she already has most, or all, of those 4Bs
    covered. :D

    You actually bring up an interesting point (between this message and the
    last one). The women I have noticed who seem to want the fewest
    restrictions put on abortion are usually in groups (older, lesbian) who are
    not very likely to be getting pregnant.

    Maybe I am wrong there but that is my observation.


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  • From IB Joe@1:342/201 to Mike Powell on Thu Nov 14 11:02:44 2024
    On 13 Nov 2024, Mike Powell said the following...

    I would assume as a Lesbian she already has most, or all, of those 4Bs covered. :D

    You actually bring up an interesting point (between this message and the last one). The women I have noticed who seem to want the fewest restrictions put on abortion are usually in groups (older, lesbian) who are not very likely to be getting pregnant.

    Maybe I am wrong there but that is my observation.


    HAHAHAHA... There was a meme I LOL'd about... The left is going on about The Handmaid's Tale again... A book that talks about women being used for breading -In A Nutshell- The Handmaids wore a red uniform... They sell those on Amizon, all the XXXL versions were sold out.

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  • From jimmylogan@1:105/7 to Mike Powell on Mon Dec 9 07:31:06 2024
    Mike Powell wrote to JIMMYLOGAN <=-

    Why does your beliefs on the matter mean more than the womans?

    It doesn't, but it should matter equally. The unborn hasn't reached
    a voting age yet, just like a toddler or teen hasn't. I'm simply
    expressing my desire that they not be sacrificed.

    It should be based on viability age. Living toddlers and teens are viable. Many late-term premature babies are viable without extensive
    life support. Most early term premature babies are very much not
    viable.

    That makes a very logical cut-off point.

    Though I disagree that that should be the 'cut-off,' I would GLADLY
    go along with that as opposed to abortion on demand - any time, any
    reason. At least it's a step in the right direction...




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  • From IB Joe@1:342/201 to jimmylogan on Tue Dec 10 18:01:52 2024
    On 09 Dec 2024, jimmylogan said the following...

    They are alive, for the record...


    Babies are alive, for the record.

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  • From Ron L.@1:120/616 to jimmylogan on Wed Dec 11 07:23:06 2024
    jimmylogan wrote to Dr. What <=-

    Remember the man and woman in St. Louis that defended their home with
    the THREAT of shooting? And the state attourney, I think it was, wanted
    to prosecute them?

    Yup. Lots of media coverage as they were harassed and prosecuted. Then it all went quiet. I wonder why. Could it be that they won?


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  • From Mike Powell@1:2320/105 to JIMMYLOGAN on Wed Dec 11 09:16:00 2024
    It should be based on viability age. Living toddlers and teens are viable. Many late-term premature babies are viable without extensive life support. Most early term premature babies are very much not
    viable.

    That makes a very logical cut-off point.

    Though I disagree that that should be the 'cut-off,' I would GLADLY
    go along with that as opposed to abortion on demand - any time, any
    reason. At least it's a step in the right direction...

    I don't believe that "on demand" is right, either. Over time, I would
    think that would be both physically and mentally damaging to the persons
    who use abortion in that manner. The procedure should be more of a last resort.


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  • From jimmylogan@1:105/7 to Mike Powell on Fri Jan 10 05:49:18 2025
    Mike Powell wrote to JIMMYLOGAN <=-

    It should be based on viability age. Living toddlers and teens are viable. Many late-term premature babies are viable without extensive life support. Most early term premature babies are very much not viable.

    That makes a very logical cut-off point.

    Though I disagree that that should be the 'cut-off,' I would GLADLY
    go along with that as opposed to abortion on demand - any time, any
    reason. At least it's a step in the right direction...

    I don't believe that "on demand" is right, either. Over time, I would think that would be both physically and mentally damaging to the
    persons who use abortion in that manner. The procedure should be more
    of a last resort.

    So you agree that 'on demand' should not be the norm? Or just that it is
    not healthy?




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