• Re: "Project 2025"

    From IB Joe@1:342/201 to Alan Ianson on Fri Aug 23 07:36:28 2024
    On 22 Aug 2024, Alan Ianson said the following...

    I never said DOnald Trump was the author of project 2025. Trump is not smart enough to write a book.


    He has/had nothing to do with the project. The Heritage Foundation authored the document with all the contributors cited.

    Trump and JD's names are nowhere to be found.

    BTW, Trump has authored a few books and the sales of these book are/were at levels never seen before by other great authors.

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  • From IB Joe@1:342/201 to Ron L. on Fri Aug 23 07:53:34 2024
    On 23 Aug 2024, Ron L. said the following...

    No other country would take her. And even if they did, they wouldn't
    put up with her BS.


    Mike gave a speech right after Barry at the DNC. Where he talked about his parents not wanting to be rich and his mother looked down on people who took more than they needed.

    This came from a man who's worth 100's millions of dollars living him multiple homes worth 10's of millions of dollars each. Flying around the wold in private jets... Living the life of Ryley.

    I'm not sure if his parents are still alive... But by Mike's own admission he's the embodiment of what his mother was talking about... Taking more that than they need.

    This begs a question... Barry and Mike are worth 100s of millions. They don't have a product or service to sell. They accumulated their wealth because they worked for the government. Whereas other wealthy people created this and as well as jobs and whatnot.

    How many multi-million dollar homes does Mike have to own... How many 100s of millions of dollars does Mike have to have before he says that the US is a great country!!!!

    BTW, Oprah was on the same stage complaining about income inequality in her life.... Hello!!!! She's a billionaire

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  • From Aaron Thomas@1:342/201 to Ron L. on Fri Aug 23 08:19:30 2024
    There's something I'm not understanding about the process. How does t job necessitate the help of lots of people?

    So, you need a registered voter. Especially if people are going to
    track votes vs. registered voters. For auditing purposes, if Fred
    Ziffle cast a vote, then there should be a Fred Ziffle on the voter roll.

    Honestly, I still don't understand how this works. (But I can't always understand everything.)

    The rest of the help is simply to get those illegal voters to go through the process.

    Are they gathering names of registered voters, and then sending the illegals off to the ballots with a registered voter's name written on their hand? (I can see a scheme like that working fairly well.)

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  • From Mike Powell@1:2320/105 to AARON THOMAS on Fri Aug 23 10:44:00 2024
    They are using mules again for this. They coach a member of the illegal community on what to do. He gets the people to request the mail-in ballot. Then he has them sign it and pays them to give him the ballot. They then auction off the ballots to the candidates.

    Couldn't that be accomplished without illegal immigrants? Couldn't the boss just fill out the ballots himself?

    There are some holes in his theory, but my guess is that the coach gives
    them the identity info for someone who is deceased (or otherwise no longer
    in the area) but who is still registered to vote.

    It is similar to what unions and other vote fixers used to do,
    but with legal voters. One of the fixers would go into the polling place,
    pick up a paper ballot and mark it. He'd then wait outside and give the
    ballot to the first "mark" that entered the polling place. The mark would
    cast the pre-marked ballot as his own and bring out a fresh, unmarked ballot for the fixer to set up for the next person.

    At the end of the day, the last mark would bring out a fresh ballot and the fixer could then cast his own votes.

    Based on this old trick, I find it very, *very* questionable whenever
    *anyone* claims that going to *all* paper ballots is going to fix vote
    rigging. My opinion is it will just change the way it gets "fixed" but it
    will still be quite broken.


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  • From Mike Powell@1:2320/105 to ALAN IANSON on Fri Aug 23 10:47:00 2024
    Again, he said "if," which implies that it is not currently happening, which means you both agree that it is not currently happening.

    I know what he said.

    You sure didn't act like it.


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  • From IB Joe@1:342/201 to Alan Ianson on Fri Aug 23 12:11:20 2024
    On 23 Aug 2024, Alan Ianson said the following...


    Trump or the Trump administration are mentioned more than 300 times.


    I have talked to some people who have great reasoning skills in this echo... They have mentioned your name several time and in doing so they have not made your reasoning sills better.

    You've been pumping this BS for over a week...

    The Heritage Foundation is conservative and have "some" reasonable ideas... and they have "some" ideas that are off the wall. Most of which are not going to be public policy.

    All the fear fear mongering the left want to do with this project is to get them to think Trump wants to do a federal ban on abortion. And he said he's not.

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  • From Alan Ianson@1:153/757 to IB Joe on Fri Aug 23 11:44:56 2024
    Trump or the Trump administration are mentioned more than 300 times.

    I have talked to some people who have great reasoning skills in this echo...

    I haven't seen much in the way of "reasonable" in this echo.

    They have mentioned your name several time and in doing so they have not made your reasoning sills better.

    I have to agree.

    You've been pumping this BS for over a week...

    I haven't had much to say about project 2025, and I don't really have anything more to say about it.

    The Heritage Foundation is conservative and have "some" reasonable ideas... and they have "some" ideas that are off the wall. Most of which are not going to be public policy.

    Trump can and will try to distance himself from project 2025 but it's a bit late for that. The details are all out in the open, I'll not get into debates about it. The facts are all there for those interested.

    All the fear fear mongering the left want to do with this project is to get them to think Trump wants to do a federal ban on abortion. And he said he's not.

    Trumps abortion damage is done now. I don't really care to debate it any more although I might call out simple lies and deceptions.

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  • From Aaron Thomas@1:342/201 to Alan Ianson on Fri Aug 23 13:35:44 2024
    Trump and JD's names are nowhere to be found.

    Trump or the Trump administration are mentioned more than 300 times.

    Earth to Al: He was talking about author credits. CLEARLY

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  • From Alan Ianson@1:153/757 to Aaron Thomas on Fri Aug 23 12:59:00 2024
    Trump or the Trump administration are mentioned more than 300 times.

    Earth to Al: He was talking about author credits. CLEARLY

    Oh, ya'll didn't want to hear of Trump honorable (or not so honorable) mentions?

    Sorry! ;)

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  • From Aaron Thomas@1:342/201 to Mike Powell on Fri Aug 23 13:46:46 2024
    Couldn't that be accomplished without illegal immigrants? Couldn't the b just fill out the ballots himself?

    There are some holes in his theory, but my guess is that the coach gives them the identity info for someone who is deceased (or otherwise no
    longer in the area) but who is still registered to vote.

    This is what I suspected. Not all states do their polling the same way, and here in my state it would be easy for someone to walk into a polling place and cast a ballot, without ID, as long as they have the name of a registered voter for that particular polling place. And the voter doesn't have to be dead either, they just have to arrive to the polling place later than the cheater. There are no surveillance cameras at the polling places either, so there's no prosecuting it either.

    Based on this old trick, I find it very, *very* questionable whenever *anyone* claims that going to *all* paper ballots is going to fix vote rigging. My opinion is it will just change the way it gets "fixed" but
    it will still be quite broken.

    I don't have any experience with anything other than paper ballots. What's the alternative to paper?

    After having this conversation, now my concern is with early voting, at least in New York. People can steal ballots by impersonating people and the poll workers won't care one way or the other as long as they get paid for their work. And this state is the official dumping ground for illegal migrants :(

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  • From Aaron Thomas@1:342/201 to Alan Ianson on Fri Aug 23 14:06:20 2024
    Trump can and will try to distance himself from project 2025 but it's a bit late for that. The details are all out in the open, I'll not get
    into debates about it. The facts are all there for those interested.

    You already acknowledged that he's not an author of the book, so why are you reverting back to this BS again?

    The details of Peter Pan or The Spirit of Capitalism are all out in the open too, but Trump didn't write those books either!

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  • From Alan Ianson@1:153/757 to Aaron Thomas on Fri Aug 23 13:27:56 2024
    You already acknowledged that he's not an author of the book, so why are you reverting back to this BS again?

    I never said Trump was the author of the book. I dunno what IB is on about.

    The details of Peter Pan or The Spirit of Capitalism are all out in the open too, but Trump didn't write those books either!

    Right, Trump never wrote any book.

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  • From Ron L.@1:120/616 to IB Joe on Sat Aug 24 09:31:44 2024
    IB Joe wrote to Dr. What <=-

    Mike gave a speech right after Barry at the DNC. Where he talked
    about his parents not wanting to be rich and his mother looked down on people who took more than they needed.

    I didn't know that Mr. and Mrs. Karl Marx were black. :)

    This came from a man who's worth 100's millions of dollars living him multiple homes worth 10's of millions of dollars each. Flying around
    the wold in private jets... Living the life of Ryley.

    The only infinite thing in the universe is Elitist hypocrisy.

    But that's not a surprise. "Rules for thee, but not for me" has been their mantra for a long, long time now.

    This begs a question... Barry and Mike are worth 100s of millions.
    They don't have a product or service to sell. They accumulated their wealth because they worked for the government. Whereas other wealthy people created this and as well as jobs and whatnot.

    We need to remember the mental difference between those people who EARN their wealth and those who simply received it.

    The Osamas received their wealth through not doing any work. They want more and more because they don't have to actually work to get it. They are doing what Biden did: trade favors - from other people who actually DO work. (Read "Atlas Shrugged" to see how that turns out.)

    How many multi-million dollar homes does Mike have to own... How many
    100s of millions of dollars does Mike have to have before he says that
    the US is a great country!!!!

    As many as they can get. Remember they don't work for it. So they are terrified about losing anything because they can't get it back. So they want more and more and more to make sure that they have all the wealth they want.

    And they got that money by selling out the country to others. Interestingly, that's called "treason".

    BTW, Oprah was on the same stage complaining about income inequality in her life.... Hello!!!! She's a billionaire

    Listening to Oprah pontificate on income equality is like listening to a 350lb "doctor" telling you how to lose weight.


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  • From Ron L.@1:120/616 to Aaron Thomas on Sat Aug 24 09:31:44 2024
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    So, you need a registered voter. Especially if people are going to
    track votes vs. registered voters. For auditing purposes, if Fred
    Ziffle cast a vote, then there should be a Fred Ziffle on the voter roll.

    Honestly, I still don't understand how this works. (But I can't always understand everything.)

    I think you're missing something that's implied.

    1. Illegals are allowed to get driver's licenses (at least here in Michigan). 2. Long ago, many states passed "motor voter" laws that automatically register people to vote when they get/renew a driver's license.
    3. In Michigan, at least, the Sec of State is an Elitist, so she doesn't require a citizenship check when the driver's license is gotten (and the person is registered to vote).
    4. So now we have a bunch of illegals who are registered vote and they are on the voter rolls.
    5. A mule goes to these areas where the illegals are and tells them how to request a mail-in ballot and offers them money for it.
    6. The illegals request their mail-in ballot. Since they are on the voter roll, they get sent a ballot.
    7. They are told to just sign the envelope and give it to the mule who gives the illegal money.
    8. The mule takes the ballot to the central center to be auctioned off.

    Remember that this is BLANK ballot. But all the forms have been followed.

    So someone else filled out the ballot, ticking the candidate that he's told. The ballot is sent back in and counted.

    The ballot counts look good (i.e. 500,000 registered voters, less than that number of ballots cast - which is normal). So no appearant fraud there.

    The name on the ballot matches the name on the voter roll and the signature matches. No appearant voter fraud there either.

    But a bunch of illegals voted in our election, which is illegal. But how do you prove that?

    Remember the massive fraud in the last election? The counts were WAY off (far more votes than voters). We had names that weren't on the rolls. We had people voting who were dead, incapacitated, etc. This fraud gets around all that.


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  • From Mike Powell@1:2320/105 to AARON THOMAS on Sat Aug 24 10:36:00 2024
    After having this conversation, now my concern is with early voting, at least in New York. People can steal ballots by impersonating people and the poll workers won't care one way or the other as long as they get paid for their work. And this state is the official dumping ground for illegal migrants :(

    We have early in person voting here. You need ID here so we don't have
    those problems. Make IDs necessary and you won't either.


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  • From Mike Powell@1:2320/105 to IB JOE on Sat Aug 24 11:11:00 2024
    You to Alan:
    You've been pumping this BS for over a week...

    Alan to you:
    I haven't had much to say about project 2025, and I don't really have anything
    more to say about it.

    So now we are to a variation of Al's famous "I didn't say that" defense:
    * JD Vance wrote the forward
    * Yes, he did!
    * Well OK maybe he didn't, but the Bad Orange Man is involved
    * Yes, he is!
    * "I haven't had much to say" about it


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  • From Mike Powell@1:2320/105 to ALAN IANSON on Sat Aug 24 11:12:00 2024
    Trump or the Trump administration are mentioned more than 300 times.

    Earth to Al: He was talking about author credits. CLEARLY

    Oh, ya'll didn't want to hear of Trump honorable (or not so honorable) mentions?

    Sorry! ;)

    So in other words, you yourself could write up a bunch of bologna, mention Trump's name a bunch of times, and then claim he had something to do with
    the writing of said bologna?

    I guess in these internet times we live in, you could convince many, many people that he was involved in the writing of your drivel, even if he wasn't.


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  • From Mike Powell@1:2320/105 to RON L. on Sat Aug 24 10:55:00 2024
    4. So now we have a bunch of illegals who are registered vote and they are on the voter rolls.
    5. A mule goes to these areas where the illegals are and tells them how to request a mail-in ballot and offers them money for it.
    6. The illegals request their mail-in ballot. Since they are on the voter roll, they get sent a ballot.
    7. They are told to just sign the envelope and give it to the mule who gives the illegal money.
    8. The mule takes the ballot to the central center to be auctioned off.

    Sounds like this scheme doesn't require them to be illegal.


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  • From IB Joe@1:342/201 to Ron L. on Sat Aug 24 11:12:46 2024
    On 24 Aug 2024, Ron L. said the following...


    I didn't know that Mr. and Mrs. Karl Marx were black. :)


    Yup, Karl 2.0 is...


    The only infinite thing in the universe is Elitist hypocrisy.


    This is the truest statement I have ever heard. And I can see the cracks forming with the grip they have on the minions.


    We need to remember the mental difference between those people who EARN their wealth and those who simply received it.

    The Osamas received their wealth through not doing any work. They want more and more because they don't have to actually work to get it. They are doing what Biden did: trade favors - from other people who actually
    DO work. (Read "Atlas Shrugged" to see how that turns out.)


    They must be in panic mode now... after RFK Jr.'s exit speech yesterday.


    As many as they can get. Remember they don't work for it. So they are terrified about losing anything because they can't get it back. So they want more and more and more to make sure that they have all the wealth they want.

    And they got that money by selling out the country to others. Interestingly, that's called "treason".

    BTW, Oprah was on the same stage complaining about income inequality her life.... Hello!!!! She's a billionaire

    Listening to Oprah pontificate on income equality is like listening to a 350lb "doctor" telling you how to lose weight.



    The next couple months are going to be tough for the country. Elitist trying to keep control. The people with TDS... I can't imagine how it's going to be ...

    Anyway... get some popcorn!!!

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  • From Alan Ianson@1:153/757 to Mike Powell on Sat Aug 24 10:58:48 2024
    * "I haven't had much to say" about it

    I have only said that project 2025 was a blueprint for autocracy.

    A lot more could be said about it but it's a big subject and I don't have time for it.

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  • From Alan Ianson@1:153/757 to Mike Powell on Sat Aug 24 11:00:42 2024
    So in other words, you yourself could write up a bunch of bologna, mention Trump's name a bunch of times, and then claim he had something to do with
    the writing of said bologna?

    Trump would like to distance hi,self from but that ship has sailed.

    I guess in these internet times we live in, you could convince many, many people that he was involved in the writing of your drivel, even if he wasn't.

    No, I don't write in all caps.

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  • From Ron L.@1:120/616 to Mike Powell on Sun Aug 25 09:41:18 2024
    Mike Powell wrote to Dr. What <=-

    Sounds like this scheme doesn't require them to be illegal.

    It doesn't. So that makes me think that they've pulled this scam many times before. But, today, enough people have woken up to what the Elitists are doing and aren't cooperating any more.

    That's why the Elitists had to import all those illegals.


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  • From Ron L.@1:120/616 to IB Joe on Sun Aug 25 09:41:18 2024
    IB Joe wrote to Dr. What <=-

    They must be in panic mode now... after RFK Jr.'s exit speech
    yesterday.

    They've been in panic mode since Trump was president.

    The good thing is that whenever they panic, they overplay their hand and expose more of their corruption. That wakes more people up and makes the Elitists panic more.

    The next couple months are going to be tough for the country. Elitist trying to keep control. The people with TDS... I can't imagine how
    it's going to be ...

    Oh, I expect the Elitists to pull out every stop in the next few months. But it's getting harder for them as their operatives keep getting jailed for fraud and pedophilia.


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  • From IB Joe@1:342/201 to Ron L. on Sun Aug 25 17:17:58 2024
    On 25 Aug 2024, Ron L. said the following...


    They've been in panic mode since Trump was president.

    The good thing is that whenever they panic, they overplay their hand and expose more of their corruption. That wakes more people up and makes
    the Elitists panic more.


    I wished you were using technology that was a little more current.... If you start a GoFundMe to get a VGA monitor so that you'll get a way from that EGA monitor you have...

    https://youtu.be/_yymZpY5hJ4?si=nS5X2W9-SRhXBKrY

    This will be taken down shortly. It's a video, from a guy I like to follow, that looks into the fact that there were more than 1 shooter... and also goes down the rabbit hole of government involvement.


    Oh, I expect the Elitists to pull out every stop in the next few months. But it's getting harder for them as their operatives keep getting jailed for fraud and pedophilia.


    Videos of Oprah introducing all the unsuspected victims to their victimizers as well..

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  • From Aaron Thomas@1:342/201 to Ron L. on Sun Aug 25 18:32:08 2024
    Sounds like this scheme doesn't require them to be illegal.

    It doesn't. So that makes me think that they've pulled this scam many times before. But, today, enough people have woken up to what the Elitists are doing and aren't cooperating any more.

    The illegals don't care one way or the other who gets elected, they just want that $20 or whatever was promised to them.

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  • From Aaron Thomas@1:342/201 to Mike Powell on Sun Aug 25 18:18:14 2024
    After having this conversation, now my concern is with early voting, at in New York. People can steal ballots by impersonating people and the po workers won't care one way or the other as long as they get paid for the work. And this state is the official dumping ground for illegal migrants

    We have early in person voting here. You need ID here so we don't have those problems. Make IDs necessary and you won't either.

    It's surprising that a Democrat governor would allow that rule in his state. Is he trying to change that?

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  • From Ron L.@1:120/616 to IB Joe on Mon Aug 26 07:11:32 2024
    IB Joe wrote to Dr. What <=-

    This will be taken down shortly. It's a video, from a guy I like to follow, that looks into the fact that there were more than 1 shooter... and also goes down the rabbit hole of government involvement.

    At this point, I don't think that either of those ideas would surprise anyone. Especially after the Propaganda Ministry memory-holed the shooting as soon as they could.


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  • From Ron L.@1:120/616 to Aaron Thomas on Mon Aug 26 07:11:32 2024
    Aaron Thomas wrote to Dr. What <=-

    But surely that's not why Democrats want them here, right? ;)

    That's what it looks like. The Great Replacement Theory pretty much outlines it. Lower the American birth rate. Then import people from other countries who are easier to control.


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  • From Mike Powell@1:2320/105 to AARON THOMAS on Mon Aug 26 10:36:00 2024
    After having this conversation, now my concern is with early voting, at in New York. People can steal ballots by impersonating people and the po
    workers won't care one way or the other as long as they get paid for the
    work. And this state is the official dumping ground for illegal migrants

    We have early in person voting here. You need ID here so we don't have those problems. Make IDs necessary and you won't either.

    It's surprising that a Democrat governor would allow that rule in his state. I
    he trying to change that?

    Nope. We have a Republican SOS who says that the early in person works
    well and he is dedicated to it. He did get rid of "no reason" mail in
    voting as soon as the COVID "emergency" was over. He is sensible and I am
    glad we have him. I hope we don't lose him to term limits as this is at least his second term and I don't want a "no rules" Democrat or MAGA Republican getting the office.


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  • From Aaron Thomas@1:342/201 to Mike Powell on Mon Aug 26 12:10:32 2024
    It's surprising that a Democrat governor would allow that rule in his st I
    he trying to change that?

    Nope. We have a Republican SOS who says that the early in person works well and he is dedicated to it. He did get rid of "no reason" mail in voting as soon as the COVID "emergency" was over. He is sensible and I
    am glad we have him. I hope we don't lose him to term limits as this is at least his second term and I don't want a "no rules" Democrat or MAGA Republican getting the office.

    I just read about him, and I'm surprised to learn that he is a Republican. I think I'm also learning now that some states elect their SOS while others (like NY) just get stuck with whatever POS the governor/George chooses.

    So it sounds like there is some separation between SOS & governor in Kentucky, and that's awesome. That's the way it should be in every state.

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  • From Mike Powell@1:2320/105 to Aaron Thomas on Mon Aug 26 17:15:18 2024
    I just read about him, and I'm surprised to learn that he is a Republican. I think I'm also learning now that some states elect their SOS while others (like NY) just get stuck with whatever POS the governor/George chooses.

    So it sounds like there is some separation between SOS & governor in Kentucky, and that's awesome. That's the way it should be in every state.

    Most states elect openly but some don't. Florida used to but doesn't any more. A few states like, IIRC, Maine restrict the voting for SOS to their legislature.

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