• When pandeia stops - it is easy

    From alexander koryagin@2:5020/2140.2 to Lee Lofaso on Fri Apr 24 23:12:50 2020
    Hi, Lee Lofaso!
    I read your message from 21.04.2020 01:50

    Not wearing a mask is suicidal. Since most people want to live,
    I would expect those who are sane to wear a mask. At least in
    public. Except for Donald Trump, who has publicly stated he
    will not wear a mask.

    Big cough drops drop down quickly. In the air there are only micro
    disperse drops (similar to vapour) and medicine masks are useless
    against them.

    The infected people without symptoms don't cough and sneeze, and they
    breathe out only micro disperse drops that go through simple medical
    masks freely. It is a false idea that mask prevent such people from
    infecting others.

    Wearing a respirator-mask is a criminal act in the streets if you are
    infected. Such respirator-masks have a valve that pass out you breath
    freely (together with big infected drops).

    Bye, Lee!
    Alexander Koryagin
    fido7.fidonews 2020
    --- FIDOGATE 5.1.7ds
    * Origin: Pushkin's BBS (2:5020/2140.2)
  • From Lee Lofaso@2:203/2 to alexander koryagin on Sat Apr 25 03:43:48 2020
    Hello Alexander,

    Not wearing a mask is suicidal. Since most people want to live,
    I would expect those who are sane to wear a mask. At least in
    public. Except for Donald Trump, who has publicly stated he
    will not wear a mask.

    Big cough drops drop down quickly. In the air there are only micro disperse drops (similar to vapour) and medicine masks are useless
    against them.

    The novel coronavirus is not thought to be airborne (aerosol). But
    nothing is certain. Wearing a cloth mask is thought to offer some
    limited protection to those who are not sick, if those who are sick
    are wearing such a mask. The idea being that any large droplets
    would be caught by those wearing a mask, rather than infecting those
    who are not.

    Problem is nobody knows who is and is not sick. In which case
    everybody (except for Trump) should wear a mask. Or so we have
    been told here in the USA.

    The infected people without symptoms don't cough and sneeze, and they breathe out only micro disperse drops that go through simple medical
    masks freely. It is a false idea that mask prevent such people from infecting others.

    That may be. But we have been told, so we must obey. Except
    for Trump, who marches to the beat of his own drum.

    Wearing a respirator-mask is a criminal act in the streets if you are infected. Such respirator-masks have a valve that pass out you breath freely (together with big infected drops).

    As long as it is not an orange mist we might survive. Otherwise,
    it was nice knowing you.

    --Lee

    --
    Erections, That's Our Game

    --- MesNews/1.08.05.00-gb
    * Origin: news://eljaco.se (2:203/2)
  • From alexander koryagin@2:5020/2140.2 to Lee Lofaso on Sun Apr 26 17:22:24 2020
    Hi, Lee Lofaso!
    I read your message from 25.04.2020 02:43

    Big cough drops drop down quickly. In the air there are only micro
    disperse drops (similar to vapour) and medicine masks are useless
    against them.

    The novel coronavirus is not thought to be airborne (aerosol). But
    nothing is certain. Wearing a cloth mask is thought to offer some
    limited protection to those who are not sick, if those who are sick
    are wearing such a mask. The idea being that any large droplets
    would be caught by those wearing a mask, rather than infecting
    those who are not.

    Problem is nobody knows who is and is not sick. In which case
    everybody (except for Trump) should wear a mask. Or so we have been
    told here in the USA.

    A funny story was shown in the news. In some hospital the medics keep a
    habit to applaud to the patient when he had recovered from covid19 and
    he is leaving the hospital. But all the medics and that recovered
    patient were wearing masks during that applause. It shows well how much
    we can believe them. ;=)

    PS: But anyway it is well known that medical masks save only from snotty
    and coughing people... if they wear them.

    Bye, Lee!
    Alexander Koryagin
    fido7.fidonews 2020
    --- FIDOGATE 5.1.7ds
    * Origin: Pushkin's BBS (2:5020/2140.2)
  • From August Abolins@2:221/1.58 to alexander koryagin on Sun Apr 26 10:24:00 2020
    Hello alexander!

    ** On 26.04.20 - 17:22, alexander koryagin wrote to Lee Lofaso:

    A funny story was shown in the news. In some hospital the medics keep a
    habit to applaud to the patient when he had recovered from covid19 and
    he is leaving the hospital. But all the medics and that recovered
    patient were wearing masks during that applause. It shows well how much
    we can believe them. ;=)

    That does make for a funny visual commentary! LOL


    PS: But anyway it is well known that medical masks save only from snotty
    and coughing people... if they wear them.

    You can't always predict when a sudden cough or sneeze may arise.


    ../|ug

    --- OpenXP 5.0.43
    * Origin: /|ug's Point, Ont. CANADA (2:221/1.58)
  • From alexander koryagin@2:5020/2140.2 to August Abolins on Mon Apr 27 13:20:22 2020
    Hi, August Abolins!
    I read your message from 26.04.2020 09:24

    PS: But anyway it is well known that medical masks save only
    from snotty and coughing people... if they wear them.
    You can't always predict when a sudden cough or sneeze may
    arise.

    As I told before, healthy people don't cough and sneeze. As well as
    infected people without symptoms, who are the main virus conductor.
    They emit virus with masks or without them.
    All the world practice shows that if the medics worked (with infected
    people) wearing simple medical masks -- they have been infected very
    often -- the best proof of the mask uselessness. A usual medical mask
    don't save from the covid19 contamination. Such masks should be worn
    only by sick people with cough and sneeze.

    Bye, August!
    Alexander Koryagin
    fido7.fidonews 2020
    --- FIDOGATE 5.1.7ds
    * Origin: Pushkin's BBS (2:5020/2140.2)
  • From Ward Dossche@2:292/854 to alexander koryagin on Mon Apr 27 11:44:10 2020
    As I told before, healthy people don't cough and sneeze. As well as infected people without symptoms, who are the main virus conductor.
    They emit virus with masks or without them.
    All the world practice shows that if the medics worked (with infected people) wearing simple medical masks -- they have been infected very
    often -- the best proof of the mask uselessness. A usual medical mask
    don't save from the covid19 contamination. Such masks should be worn
    only by sick people with cough and sneeze.

    It's amazing how people who 2 months ago were leading experts on CO2 emissions,
    are now leading experts on virus contamination and fighting.

    \%/@rd

    --- D'Bridge 4
    * Origin: If you build it he will come (2:292/854)
  • From alexander koryagin@2:5020/2140.2 to Ward Dossche on Mon Apr 27 15:23:30 2020
    Hi, Ward Dossche!
    I read your message from 27.04.2020 10:44

    As I told before, healthy people don't cough and sneeze. As
    well as infected people without symptoms, who are the main
    virus conductor. They emit virus with masks or without them.
    All the world practice shows that if the medics worked
    (with infected people) wearing simple medical masks -- they
    have been infected very often -- the best proof of the mask
    uselessness. A usual medical mask don't save from the
    covid19 contamination. Such masks should be worn only by
    sick people with cough and sneeze.
    It's amazing how people who 2 months ago were leading experts
    on CO2 emissions, are now leading experts on virus
    contamination and fighting.

    A lot of information about masks and respirators, hygiene etc now
    available to all people. If it had been so 2 month ago many people could
    be saved.

    Bye, Ward!
    Alexander Koryagin
    fido7.fidonews 2020
    --- FIDOGATE 5.1.7ds
    * Origin: Pushkin's BBS (2:5020/2140.2)
  • From Ward Dossche@2:292/854 to alexander koryagin on Mon Apr 27 13:47:24 2020
    Hi Alex,

    A lot of information about masks and respirators, hygiene etc now
    available to all people. If it had been so 2 month ago many people could
    be saved.

    In the meantime I have seen so much junk being imported and made at home that the impact of these masks would have been superfluous.

    And after the fact we all have 20/20 vision.

    \%/@rd

    --- D'Bridge 4
    * Origin: If you build it he will come (2:292/854)
  • From Lee Lofaso@2:203/2 to alexander koryagin on Mon Apr 27 23:52:38 2020
    Hello Alexader,

    Big cough drops drop down quickly. In the air there are only micro
    disperse drops (similar to vapour) and medicine masks are useless
    against them.

    The novel coronavirus is not thought to be airborne (aerosol). But
    nothing is certain. Wearing a cloth mask is thought to offer some
    limited protection to those who are not sick, if those who are sick
    are wearing such a mask. The idea being that any large droplets
    would be caught by those wearing a mask, rather than infecting
    those who are not.

    Problem is nobody knows who is and is not sick. In which case
    everybody (except for Trump) should wear a mask. Or so we have been
    told here in the USA.

    A funny story was shown in the news. In some hospital the medics keep a habit to applaud to the patient when he had recovered from covid19 and
    he is leaving the hospital. But all the medics and that recovered
    patient were wearing masks during that applause. It shows well how much
    we can believe them. ;=)

    There is so much uncertainty about this virus that nobody seems
    to know what they are talking about.

    PS: But anyway it is well known that medical masks save only from snotty
    and
    coughing people... if they wear them.

    That is what the CDC and health professionals have been telling
    everybody. But since so few in this country have been tested, the recommendation is for everybody to wear a mask in public. Better
    to be safe than sorry approach.

    So what do politicians do? Open the beaches and let everybody
    play outside. Even with a stay at home lockdown order in place.

    Now somebody tell me that makes sense.

    --Lee

    --
    Sleep With Someone New

    --- MesNews/1.08.05.00-gb
    * Origin: news://eljaco.se (2:203/2)
  • From alexander koryagin@2:5020/2140.2 to Lee Lofaso on Tue Apr 28 16:29:46 2020
    Hi, Lee Lofaso!
    I read your message from 27.04.2020 22:52

    Big cough drops drop down quickly. In the air there are only
    micro disperse drops (similar to vapour) and medicine masks are
    useless against them.

    The novel coronavirus is not thought to be airborne (aerosol).
    But nothing is certain. Wearing a cloth mask is thought to offer
    some limited protection to those who are not sick, if those who
    are sick are wearing such a mask. The idea being that any large
    droplets would be caught by those wearing a mask, rather than
    infecting those who are not.

    Problem is nobody knows who is and is not sick. In which case
    everybody (except for Trump) should wear a mask. Or so we have
    been told here in the USA.

    A funny story was shown in the news. In some hospital the medics
    keep a habit to applaud to the patient when he had recovered from
    covid19 and he is leaving the hospital. But all the medics and
    that recovered patient were wearing masks during that applause. It
    shows well how much we can believe them. ;=)

    There is so much uncertainty about this virus that nobody seems to
    know what they are talking about.

    In many countries there is a tradition -- after having built a bridge
    they test it with loaded trucks, and the chief bridge designer stands
    under the bridge at that moment. ;-) So if the medics are sure that they
    have cured the patient they could demonstrate it by speaking with the
    patient without masks. But they are not sure probably.

    PS: But anyway it is well known that medical masks save only from
    snotty and coughing people... if they wear them.

    That is what the CDC and health professionals have been telling
    everybody. But since so few in this country have been tested, the recommendation is for everybody to wear a mask in public. Better to
    be safe than sorry approach.

    So what do politicians do? Open the beaches and let everybody play outside. Even with a stay at home lockdown order in place.

    They have reason not to believe that covid19 is so dangerous.

    Now somebody tell me that makes sense.

    The tests have showed that it is very likely more than 50% of population
    have already recovered from covid19 and have antibodies in their blood.
    It means that the epidemic has been going on in its own, hidden way and
    pay little attention on the official statistics that tells us about
    people who "became ill with covid19" every day.

    So, when, after the epidemic, we count the final number of all people
    with covid19 anitibodies we will realize that the mortality from this
    virus is very low, as it was during a usual seasonal epidemic.

    This outrages status of the epidemic (psychosis) was created my
    journalist, mass media, social networks. I told it in some echo.

    -----Beginning of the citation-----
    Look here: https://www.worldlifeexpectancy.com/united-states-influenza-pneumonia

    The death toll from influenza and pneumonia in 2017 is 80.5 thousand
    people per season. I.e. 220 people per day. But every epidemic as we
    know from history lasts... let it be 3 months. It means that during the
    days of the epidemic the death toll is 4 times higher than average death
    toll! I.E around 900 person per day (some days more, some day less).

    Now suppose the American media, in 2017 cold season, would have
    announced that the US has an awful epidemic, and every day the country
    is going to lose 900 people per day during three months!!! (again - some
    days more some days less). Will it be hysteria and panic? No doubt about
    that.
    ----- The end of the citation -----


    Bye, Lee!
    Alexander Koryagin
    fido7.fidonews 2020
    --- FIDOGATE 5.1.7ds
    * Origin: Pushkin's BBS (2:5020/2140.2)
  • From August Abolins@2:221/1.58 to alexander koryagin on Tue Apr 28 09:33:00 2020
    Hello alexander!

    ** On 28.04.20 - 16:29, alexander koryagin wrote to Lee Lofaso:

    ... So if the medics are sure that they have cured the patient they
    could demonstrate it by speaking with the patient without masks. But
    they are not sure probably.

    In a hospital, the patients usually do not mingle with other people, but
    the doctors *do*. So, if patient is virus-free, the doctors may contact another bug from another patient, then the doctor goes back to first patient.. oops.

    It is .: better to take precautions: wear masks.


    ../|ug

    --- OpenXP 5.0.43
    * Origin: /|ug's Point, Ont. CANADA (2:221/1.58)
  • From Michiel van der Vlist@2:280/5555 to August Abolins on Tue Apr 28 15:37:04 2020
    Hello August,

    On Tuesday April 28 2020 09:33, you wrote to alexander koryagin:

    In a hospital, the patients usually do not mingle with other people,
    but the doctors *do*. So, if patient is virus-free, the doctors may contact another bug from another patient, then the doctor goes back
    to first patient.. oops.

    It is .: better to take precautions: wear masks.

    Plus that these masks are scarse and may not be reused. When the doctor or nurse takes off the mask, it has to be disposed. To go back to the other patients, he/she needs a new mask. Of which there is a shortage. Another reason
    to keep the mask on for the short ceremony of seeing the cured patient off.


    Cheers, Michiel

    --- GoldED+/W32-MSVC 1.1.5-b20170303
    * Origin: http://www.vlist.org (2:280/5555)
  • From alexander koryagin@2:5020/2140.2 to August Abolins on Wed Apr 29 00:43:40 2020
    Hi, August Abolins!
    I read your message from 28.04.2020 08:33

    ... So if the medics are sure that they have cured the patient
    they could demonstrate it by speaking with the patient without
    masks. But they are not sure probably.

    In a hospital, the patients usually do not mingle with other
    people, but the doctors *do*. So, if patient is virus-free, the
    doctors may contact another bug from another patient, then the
    doctor goes back to first patient.. oops.

    It is well known now that after recovering from covid19 a person cannot
    be infected for some time -- he has antibodies. More of that the blood
    of these people is now used as a medicine to cure the covid19 patients.

    It is.: better to take precautions: wear masks.

    In the hospital there are clean and dirty area. In the clean area they
    can go without masks, eat, drink etc. I believe that was the clean area. ;-)

    Bye, August!
    Alexander Koryagin
    fido7.fidonews 2020
    --- FIDOGATE 5.1.7ds
    * Origin: Pushkin's BBS (2:5020/2140.2)
  • From alexander koryagin@2:5020/2140.2 to Michiel van der Vlist on Wed Apr 29 00:49:10 2020
    Hi, Michiel Van Der Vlist!
    I read your message from 28.04.2020 14:37

    It is .: better to take precautions: wear masks.
    Plus that these masks are scarse and may not be reused. When
    the doctor or nurse takes off the mask, it has to be disposed.
    To go back to the other patients, he/she needs a new mask. Of
    which there is a shortage. Another reason to keep the mask on for the short ceremony of seeing the cured patient off.

    The medical staff who really works with covid infected people wear not
    masks but special protective suits and glasses, and they don't leave the hospital dirty area during their shift.

    Bye, Michiel!
    Alexander Koryagin
    fido7.fidonews 2020
    --- FIDOGATE 5.1.7ds
    * Origin: Pushkin's BBS (2:5020/2140.2)
  • From August Abolins@2:221/1.58 to alexander koryagin on Tue Apr 28 17:31:00 2020
    Hello alexander!

    ** On 29.04.20 - 00:43, alexander koryagin wrote to August Abolins:

    In the hospital there are clean and dirty area. In the clean area they
    can go without masks, eat, drink etc. I believe that was the clean area.
    ;-)

    I don't know if you've ever had to stay in a hospital, but designated
    areas are just controlled by simple signs on a wall or a sticker on the floor. It doesn't stop anyone to compromise those expectations.

    When a person is first admitted, they are often just placed in a large
    room that has separate bay areas that are only divided my curtains. The "fresh" incoming person can end up staying in that open area for several hours.

    The ventalation system of hospitals are not isolated into clean/dirty
    areas. The same air goes everywhere.

    People going in for routine things like a cast, basic first aid, or other seemingly benign things, can come out sicker with something totally unrelated.

    Godspeed to you should you ever have to visit a hospital against your
    wishes.

    ../|ug

    --- OpenXP 5.0.43
    * Origin: /|ug's Point, Ont. CANADA (2:221/1.58)
  • From alexander koryagin@2:5020/2140.2 to August Abolins on Fri May 1 23:32:04 2020
    Hi, August Abolins!
    I read your message from 28.04.2020 16:31

    In the hospital there are clean and dirty area. In the clean area
    they can go without masks, eat, drink etc. I believe that was the
    clean area. ;-)

    I don't know if you've ever had to stay in a hospital, but
    designated areas are just controlled by simple signs on a wall or a sticker on the floor. It doesn't stop anyone to compromise those expectations.

    Our state TV constantly shows how an infectious diseases hospital works,
    in every detail. At least in Russia, there is no chance to move freely
    from the clean area to the dirty area.

    When a person is first admitted, they are often just placed in a
    large room that has separate bay areas that are only divided my
    curtains. The "fresh" incoming person can end up staying in that
    open area for several hours.

    I've read what Ward wrote about his experience in hospital. In Russia
    they also have not a quick admitting procedure, but the speed depends on
    the stuff quantity. They also have common rooms for newcomers, where, I believe, there is a good chance to catch the virus or another lung
    infection. They can't instantly separate people with usual
    pneumonia/cold from people with covid19.

    The ventalation system of hospitals are not isolated into
    clean/dirty areas. The same air goes everywhere.

    I believe it must not be so in infectious diseases hospitals. Suppose
    they treat plague patients and they have the same ventilation system.

    People going in for routine things like a cast, basic first aid, or
    other seemingly benign things, can come out sicker with something
    totally unrelated.

    Yes, the medics often get ill, especially if they count on simple
    medical masks as a mean of defence against the virus.

    Bye, August!
    Alexander Koryagin
    fido7.fidonews 2020
    --- FIDOGATE 5.1.7ds
    * Origin: Pushkin's BBS (2:5020/2140.2)