Your entire way of life is founded on theft, murder, genocide, rape, ...

Everyone's is if you go back far enough.

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Hello Ward,

Our entire way of life is based on obeying the law.

Your entire way of life is founded on theft, murder, genocide, rape, ...

And look at the success it brought us!

--Lee

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Hello Steven,

I am a conservative,

Me too!

FDR was the greatest of them all.

trying their best to survive. Denying people their basic rights
is to deny them their own humanity. Is that who you are or want

People that cross our borders illegally are law breakers. They violate MY
rights as a law abiding American citizen. Our entire way of life is based
on obeying the law. Without it there is Anarchy.

So much for the Pilgrims who came to this land. Native Americans
welcomed them, then later asked them to leave when they abused their
welcome. After the white man refused to leave, Native Americans went
on the warpath to make them leave. But then others started coming.
And coming. And coming ...

I have friends that waited 20 or more years to gain US citizenship.

Since they already had a place to stay, they had no need to come here.
And yet we welcomed them. So why should others be denied from doing
the same thing?

It is an injustice to US citizens to allow anyone to just walk in whenever
they please.

My grandfather was an infant when he was brought here from Sicily.
Nobody asked him to come here, and he really was left with no choice,
being unable to protest to anybody.

Regardless of their origin.

In that case there is no need for a wall of any kind.

Our system is based on law and punishment.

Native Americans could have done nothing and let the Pilgrims starve
to death. But no. Native Americans had compassion for others, even
those who were different from them from a place far away.

Those that break the law should and will be punished.

Those are the kind of people the Pilgrims were running away from.

--Lee

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Your entire way of life is founded on theft, murder, genocide, rape,

...

Everyone's is if you go back far enough.

That most likely is correct.

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Without it there
is Anarchy. I have friends that waited 20 or more years to gain US citizenship. It is an injustice to US citizens to allow anyone to just walk in whenever they please.

did you friends not "walk in whenever they pleased"??? they arrived here somehow...

I cannot speak for his friends, but mine came in *legally* and went through
all of the processes it took to be here *legally*. Most of them are more unhappy about people just wandering in and being able to get even more than they are entitled to than I am.

Do you not know anyone who is not a native that is here legally? I will guarantee you that they did not just "walk in whenever they pleased." All
the ones I know (mostly from Asia or South America) had to go through all
sorts of paperwork to get a visa, then again for a green card, etc. Many
had to prove they had jobs waiting here for them. Some had to leave the country for a while in between "phases."

What they go through to be here legally is a far cry from just "walking in whenever they please," and insinuating that they can do so belittles their experience. One may say "that is why it should be easier" but I disagree. Those processes are there for a reason. They validate the identity of the person in question, verify that they are not wanted by the law in their
home countries, verify that they are here to be productive members of
society, etc.

I do not understand why a citizen of any country would want it any other
way when it comes to who gets let in.

Mike

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exactly! what do kids learn in school these days???

note "these days" meaning "since the '80s"... we learned all about how our country was formed when we were in school in the '60s and '70s... they didn't come right out and state that "theft, murder, genocide, rape" were used but

it

is easily apparent if one simply looks at the material and pays attention...

Like I said to Ward, pretty much all societies evolved from a period of
"theft, murder, genocide, rape." I learned that in school. I also learned that societies that last evolve beyond that point to a point where the rule
of law is followed. Those societies usually last until either the rule of
law is ignored, or until they are invaded by a society which has not
evolved beyond "theft, murder, genocide, rape."

That last bit, learned in school, is one of the big reasons I believe that opening the borders to anyone and everyone, while relaxing the vetting
process, is a path to destruction for our society. The only reason I can
think of that one would feel otherwise is if one longs for those not-so-good old days of chaos and lawlessness.

IMHO, the politicians that push for such want just that. They want to introduce some chaos and lawlessness so that they can assert control.

Mike

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Your entire way of life is founded on theft, murder, genocide, rape,

...

Everyone's is if you go back far enough.

That most likely is correct.

It most certainly is. Those European Neanderthals, Celtic Druids, Jews, Catholics, non-Catholics, Ukranians, Bosnians, Muslims, Christians, Pagans, Palestinians, various African tribes, Aztecs, Mayans, Incans, and whoever
else the ancestors of the current European natives rid the planet of did not die off on their own.

Where do you think the early Americans, who came over from Europe, learned it from?

Mike

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On 2019 Jun 08 10:23:00, you wrote to me:

Without it there is Anarchy. I have friends that waited 20 or more
years to gain US citizenship. It is an injustice to US citizens to
allow anyone to just walk in whenever they please.

did you friends not "walk in whenever they pleased"??? they arrived
here somehow...

I cannot speak for his friends, but mine came in *legally* and went through all of the processes it took to be here *legally*. Most of
them are more unhappy about people just wandering in and being able to
get even more than they are entitled to than I am.

what entitlements are these?

Do you not know anyone who is not a native that is here legally?

yes, i do...

I will guarantee you that they did not just "walk in whenever they pleased."

i don't know... i never asked them...

All the ones I know (mostly from Asia or South America) had to go
through all sorts of paperwork to get a visa, then again for a green
card, etc. Many had to prove they had jobs waiting here for them. Some
had to leave the country for a while in between "phases."

same here...

What they go through to be here legally is a far cry from just
"walking in whenever they please," and insinuating that they can do so belittles their experience.

i don't know who said "walk in whenever they please" but it wasn't i...

One may say "that is why it should be easier" but I disagree. Those processes are there for a reason. They validate the identity of the person in question, verify that they are not wanted by the law in
their home countries, verify that they are here to be productive
members of society, etc.

agreed...

I do not understand why a citizen of any country would want it any
other way when it comes to who gets let in.

An' ye harm none, do what ye will.


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Where do you think the early Americans, who came over from Europe,
learned it from?

Vladinir Putin

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Hello Mike,

Without it there
is Anarchy. I have friends that waited 20 or more years to gain US >>SW>citizenship. It is an injustice to US citizens to allow anyone to just >>SW>walk in whenever they please.

did you friends not "walk in whenever they pleased"??? they arrived here >>somehow...

I cannot speak for his friends, but mine came in *legally* and went through >all of the processes it took to be here *legally*. Most of them are more >unhappy about people just wandering in and being able to get even more than >they are entitled to than I am.

Having dual citizenship should be a right for all.

Nobody should be forced to relinquish their own citizenship in
order to become a US citizen. And no US citizen should be forced
to relinquish his or her US citizenship in order to become a citizen
of another country.

Do you not know anyone who is not a native that is here legally?

My grandfather was Sicilian. He came here as a baby.
My great-grandfather and great-grandmother were Sicilian.
They came here when they were adults. None of them could
speak a word of English when they got here.

I will guarantee you that they did not just "walk in whenever they pleased."

They took the boat, as none of them could walk on water.

All the ones I know (mostly from Asia or South America) had to go through
all sorts of paperwork to get a visa, then again for a green card, etc.

My great-grandfather had none of those things. And neither did
my great-grandmother. Or any of their children.

Many had to prove they had jobs waiting here for them.

My great-grandfather was a cobbler. My great-grandmother was
a housewife. Neither of them had a job when they got here.

Some had to leave the country for a while in between "phases."

My great-grandfather boarded a boat in Sicily and made his way
all the way to America, the only stops being wherever the boat went
before it got there. Then he made his way to Louisiana, on foot,
as he never bothered learning how to drive. Two adults, plus
eleven children, all immigrants from Sicily.

What they go through to be here legally is a far cry from just "walking in
whenever they please," and insinuating that they can do so belittles their experience.

My great-grandfather chose to come to America in order to escape
persecution in Sicily, as the dictator before Mussolini did not like
Sicilians - especially those who were not wealthy.

One may say "that is why it should be easier" but I disagree.

If you are trying to raise eleven children on the salary of a cobbler
and the dictator wants you to give him everything you make in the form
of taxes, it makes your decision to immigrate to America very easy.

Those processes are there for a reason. They validate the identity of the
person in question, verify that they are not wanted by the law in their
home countries, verify that they are here to be productive members of society, etc.

None of those things were needed decades ago. So why should they
be needed today? With the exception of known criminals, and public
health, there is no reason why anybody should be denied entrance.

I do not understand why a citizen of any country would want it any other way
when it comes to who gets let in.

A citizen of another country who is of good moral character could
wind up not being allowed entrance due to the whims of a bureaucrat
who denies them entrance based on frivolous reasons.

For example, Cat Stevens was denied entrance to the US to give
a music performance because some bureaucrat had placed him on the
"do not fly" terrorist list. Why? Because Cat Stevens converted
to Islam, and is no longer a Christian.

I can't fix stupid. And neither can you. Bureaucrats will continue
to be bureaucrats. The whole world over.

--Lee

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Hello Mike,

That last bit, learned in school, is one of the big reasons I believe that >opening the borders to anyone and everyone, while relaxing the vetting >process, is a path to destruction for our society. The only reason I can >think of that one would feel otherwise is if one longs for those not-so-good >old days of chaos and lawlessness.

Bill Gates likes the idea of having open borders. Let everybody
come. Those who can make it here deserve to stay. Those who are
not able to do so will return to wherever they came from.

IMHO, the politicians that push for such want just that. They want to >introduce some chaos and lawlessness so that they can assert control.

Hope and Change. Worked for Obama.

Make America Great Again. Worked for Trump.

Make America Safe Again. Worked for ???

--Lee

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Hello Ward,

Where do you think the early Americans, who came over from Europe, >MP>learned it from?

Vladinir Putin

As interviewed by Oliver Stone.

I have the transcripts.

But watching the movie is more fun.

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What cost? Those who are seeking asylum have nothing but the
clothes on their backs. They have committed no crimes, and are
trying their best to survive. Denying people their basic rights
is to deny them their own humanity. Is that who you are or want
to be? It is not who most Americans are, or want to be. We are
better than that, as individuals and a people.

Before you can begin to have a conversation or even a debate you should first understand that there is a cost.

Put down that mint julep your drinking and learn something.

https://www.investors.com/politics/editorials/sorry-but-illegal-aliens-cost-the -u-s-plenty/

https://personalliberty.com/how-much-do-illegal-immigrants-really-cost-the-unit ed-states/

Your suggestion of statement "what cost?" You're indicating that there is no cost. Additionally, your stance implies that the goods and services that are being provided are free from any charge or effort.

This is one of the failed core beliefs of the Democratic Party. Selling themselves as do gooders and hero's who provide a savior, to those in need.
On the surface and at first glance, it looks good. This is not only a mirage but it is also a intentional placed specter and therefore unreal.

When you examine the real intentions as to why this is being done, you can clearly see that these people known as migrants are being used as pawns and are being exploited. It has nothing to do with compassion or giving hope for those who have a desperate need. As nothing in life is free. There is always a cost.

This is where allegiance and loyalty come into the mix. These people on the left have a desperate need of power they want the joy of control and are looking to maintain it at any cost, once it is theirs again. This is a hunger and a thirst that drives the left into making false claims and accusations without any merit about the President.

Their statements are outrageous as they also treasonous.
Nasty Nancy saying that
"I do not want to see the President impeached, I want to see him in Prison."

or that other arrogant piece of trash from Missouri Maria Chappelle-Nadal who wrote "I hope Trump is assassinated."

Then as a defense for her stupidity, she points to freedom of speech, as if to indicate that she is permitted and free to say anything that spills or falls out of her mouth and expects no consequence. I would suggest a complete and swift medical procedure known as a complete glossectomy. She has no business being the voice of anyone, with statements such as those.
Black lives matter? - activist? An excuse to act up and not show any existence of civility - none. In its place, there always seems to be trail of destruction and chaos. Black Lives Matter - indeed... How about All Lives Matter...

So you can see now that there is very little distinction of difference between a drug addict wanting more and more drug to sustain that feeling of bliss.
Just as drug addict they do not care of what they say or do because of that burning desire of thirst that propels them to the conquest of power.

Applying for citizenship is part of the process. The USA has
a chain immigration policy,

If you have been following the recent developments? The tariffs against Mexico are no longer needed, as they have seemed to received the Presidential Memo
and now understand the seriousness of the matter and are much better
partners, let us all hope, that this progress continues.

Mr Spock would take issue with that, understanding it is a human
condition to get emotional. But he was Vulcan, except in rare moments
of ecstacy when on a certain planet ...

Mr. Spock also said "Insufficient facts always invite danger."

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People that cross our borders illegally are law breakers. They viola rights as a law abiding American citizen.

come again? what rights of yours are they violating if they break a law somewhere? does this also apply to the domestic terrorists roaming our streets today? does it also apply to the mass murders that have shot up our clubs, hotels, concerts and schools?

I can see by your statement that you do not seem to care or even acknowledge that U.S. Sovereignty is something that should be protected and cherished.
As long as you are not personally effected you don't seem to care much about what happens and you also seem o.k. that this violation occurs. There are those of us that do care a great deal that this is as we have defined it to be a travesty as well as vile disgraceful act.

Further reading of why it does matter.

https://preview.tinyurl.com/y2sag5pj

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Re: Re: Insults
By: Gregory Deyss to mark lewis on Sun Jun 09 2019 12:38 pm

People that cross our borders illegally are law breakers. They viola rights as a law abiding American citizen.

come again? what rights of yours are they violating if they break a law somewhere? does this also apply to the domestic terrorists roaming our

Yes all the people you mentioned violate MY right and my families right to the freedoms guaranteed by the US constitution. The US constitution ONLY protects US citizens. If they are citizens of the US and break the Law they will be punished under US law. People think the entire world is protected by the US constitution. They are NOT! And they are NOT entitled to those protections UNTIL they BECOME US citizens LEGALLY! NOBODY is "entitled" to break our Laws and invade our country just because the one they live in and born in is a "shit hole". Fight back and Fix it. That's what the US and it's allies did against Hitler. Stand up to these cowardly "gangs" stealing and killing". Even if it kills YOU! BUT DON'T come to MY country and make ME pay for your problems. My father and my fathers father and his father fought for our freedoms. Don't come to MY country to pawn your children off on our already broken healthcare system. First we need to take care of our own US Citizens before we take care of any foreign invaders.




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On 06-09-19 12:12, Gregory Deyss <=-
spoke to Lee Lofaso about Re: Insults <=-

This is a hunger and a thirst that drives the left into making false claims and accusations without any merit about the President.

Their statements are outrageous as they also treasonous.
Nasty Nancy saying that
"I do not want to see the President impeached, I want to see him in Prison."

You need to examine that quote in the context and circumstances in which
it was made.

To start with, for the House to impeach Trump would result in nothing of
value to the Democrats. The fact is that the Republican Senate would
never convict Trump, and so in the end nothing would be accomplished.

What she is saying is that she would rather focus on having Trump not be elected to a second term. If and When that happens, he would then be
subject to indictment and trial on the multiple instances of obstruction
of Justice that Mueller documented -- with evidence. It is possible
that he would be convicted and thus end up in prison. That is a real punishment for the crimes he has committed.

Dale Shipp
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On 06-09-19 17:47, Steven Wolf <=-
spoke to Mark Lewis about Re: Insults <=-

somewhere? does this also apply to the domestic terrorists roaming our

Yes all the people you mentioned violate MY right and my families
right to the freedoms guaranteed by the US constitution. The US constitution ONLY protects US citizens. If they are citizens of the US

You are wrong. Most constitution protections apply to undocumented
immigrants. All are entitiled to a fair trial, and to most of the rest
of the protections afforded to you and me.

Dale Shipp
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On 10 Jun 2019, Dale Shipp said the following...

On 06-09-19 12:12, Gregory Deyss <=-
spoke to Lee Lofaso about Re: Insults <=-

This is a hunger and a thirst that drives the left into making false claims and accusations without any merit about the President.

Their statements are outrageous as they also treasonous.
Nasty Nancy saying that
"I do not want to see the President impeached, I want to see him in Prison."

You need to examine that quote in the context and circumstances in which it was made.

It does not matter what the circumstances were, there is no excuse for this
to be spoken in any context.
DS>

To start with, for the House to impeach Trump would result in nothing of value to the Democrats. The fact is that the Republican Senate would never convict Trump, and so in the end nothing would be accomplished.

What she is saying is that she would rather focus on having Trump not be elected to a second term. If and When that happens, he would then be subject to indictment and trial on the multiple instances of obstruction of Justice that Mueller documented -- with evidence. It is possible
that he would be convicted and thus end up in prison. That is a real punishment for the crimes he has committed.

That's arrogant presumption on her part, it's not up to her. (if the President is re-elected or not) she is only 1 vote and we already know that Nancy, nor her followers - on which direction that their vote will be cast.

How can there be any impeachment or any indictment when there was no crime?
To spite whatever back door Robert Mueller wants to leave open.
The investigation is completed and so is the opportunity for an encore.

There is no possibility of prison when there is no crime.

As for his chances on being re-elected, I would say the following, they are
dam good, the country is doing much better then when Obama was re-elected for
a second term.

However, what is it from your perspective that the President is guilty of?
I really want you to think about that. First let me enlighten you on what it can't be. The firing of James Comey, The FBI Director serves at the word of the President of which is (or was in this case) his boss.
Which means there was no crime committed with his firing.

It can not be the Russian dossier, this was completely made up
(more like a rough draft of a chapter from the book fifty shades of grey.)

There was no "proven" collusion or obstruction.
Again if there is no crime, then there can not be any indictment or impeachment.

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On 2019 Jun 09 12:38:30, you wrote to me:

People that cross our borders illegally are law breakers. They viola
rights as a law abiding American citizen.

come again? what rights of yours are they violating if they break a
law somewhere? does this also apply to the domestic terrorists
roaming our streets today? does it also apply to the mass murders
that have shot up our clubs, hotels, concerts and schools?

I can see by your statement that you do not seem to care or even acknowledge that U.S. Sovereignty is something that should be
protected and cherished.

ORLY? how does my above statement about what is going in here in the US have anything to do with US Sovereignty? that's a completely different topic and one not under discussion in this thread...

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On 2019 Jun 09 17:47:54, you wrote to me:

People that cross our borders illegally are law breakers. They
viola rights as a law abiding American citizen.

come again? what rights of yours are they violating if they break a
law somewhere? does this also apply to the domestic terrorists
roaming our

Yes all the people you mentioned violate MY right and my families
right to the freedoms guaranteed by the US constitution.

again, what rights of yours are being violated?

The US constitution ONLY protects US citizens.

i think you need to read it again...

If they are citizens of the US and break the Law they will be punished under US law.

even if they break the law while in other countries?

People think the entire world is protected by the US constitution.
They are NOT!

no kidding?

And they are NOT entitled to those protections UNTIL they BECOME US citizens LEGALLY!

has anyone become a citizen illegally?

NOBODY is "entitled" to break our Laws and invade our country just
because the one they live in and born in is a "shit hole".

i wonder what the native american's thought about that...

Fight back and Fix it. That's what the US and it's allies did against Hitler. Stand up to these cowardly "gangs" stealing and killing".

and yet we have nazis/facisists marching in our streets...

Even if it kills YOU! BUT DON'T come to MY country and make ME pay
for your problems. My father and my fathers father and his father
fought for our freedoms.

as did mine... i was also in the USAF...

Don't come to MY country to pawn your children off on our already
broken healthcare system.

it needs to be decommercialized, that's for sure... big pharma has a tight grip and is raking us over the coals for medicines... do you remember when you did not see commercials on TV about medicines? i do...

First we need to take care of our own US Citizens

agreed 100%...

before we take care of any foreign invaders.

i don't see any "foreign invaders"...

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On 2019 Jun 10 06:52:52, you wrote to Dale Shipp:

Their statements are outrageous as they also treasonous. Nasty Nancy
saying that "I do not want to see the President impeached, I want to
see him in Prison."

You need to examine that quote in the context and circumstances in
which it was made.

It does not matter what the circumstances were, there is no excuse for this to be spoken in any context.

but chanting "Lock her up!" is allowed?

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You are wrong. Most constitution protections apply to undocumented immigrants. All are entitiled to a fair trial, and to most of the rest
of the protections afforded to you and me.

It's all good. I have absolutely no need for money and have no problem paying the world's medical bills.

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ORLY? how does my above statement about what is going in here in the US have anything to do with US Sovereignty? that's a completely different topic and one not under discussion in this thread...

No it's one in the same, it was your very first sentence.

come again? what rights of yours are they violating if they break a
law somewhere?

Then the second sentence you went on to another topic, talking about domestic terrorists. Deliberately changing the subject, far be it for Conservative to make a valid point. Can not have that.. Nevertheless, the point was made.
The violation of U.S. Sovereignty occurs when migrants cross the border without authorization, that is why it's called a violation. Furthermore before they get caught 'breaking the law somewhere' - whatever that case is, IT would of been the second time that the law was broken, because I do consider the first act of breaking the law was committed when they entered MY Nation illegally.

- They didn't just step on a Star Trek transporter pad in Mexico and moments later started to materialize here in the U.S. because that was the destination that was fed into the computer matrix.

- Nor did they step out of the Tardis, after it landed here in the U.S.

Wrong is wrong Mark, if you could acknowledge that, then that would be great..

To date all you want to ask is, Does their actions affect me personally, and yet and still - totally and completely ignoring that the act is wrong.

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It does not matter what the circumstances were, there is no excuse fo this to be spoken in any context.

but chanting "Lock her up!" is allowed?

Absolutely!
It's called demanding justice.
She smashed up blackberry's and treated hard-drives to bleach-bit and deleted thirty thousand emails, that were under subpoena for her to surrender.
Then she has the audacity to claim that "there is nothing to see here."
Then to additionally claim that she is innocent.
rrrrright. Guilty 100 percent.

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On 06-10-19 06:52, Gregory Deyss <=-
spoke to Dale Shipp about Re: Impeachment or not <=-

You need to examine that quote in the context and circumstances in which it was made.

It does not matter what the circumstances were, there is no excuse for this to be spoken in any context.

Why not -- it is a perfectly conservative and practical approach to the situation.

How can there be any impeachment or any indictment when there was no crime? To spite whatever back door Robert Mueller wants to leave open.

Once again, you are proving that you have not bothered to read the
Mueller report and are accepting the word of Barr. The Mueller report
outlines multiple occasions which would give rise to a charge and
probable conviction of anyone other than the sitting president.

The investigation is completed and so is the opportunity for an
encore.

Not an encore -- things are still going on.

There is no possibility of prison when there is no crime.

That is not for you to say. It is for the courts to say. And multiple
legal experts have publically stated that there are ten cases of
obstruction of justice which will be prosecutable if Trump is not
reelected.

As for his chances on being re-elected, I would say the following,
they are dam good, the country is doing much better then when Obama was re-elected for a second term.

However, what is it from your perspective that the President is guilty
of? I really want you to think about that. First let me enlighten you
on what it can't be. The firing of James Comey, The FBI Director
serves at the word of the
President of which is (or was in this case) his boss.
Which means there was no crime committed with his firing.

There is a crime if the firing was done with criminal intent, e.g. to
twart the investigation into his wrong doings. That is just one of the
ten documented examples of obstruction in the Mueller report. Read it.

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NOBODY is "entitled" to break our Laws and invade our country just because the one they live in and born in is a "shit hole".

i wonder what the native american's thought about that...

Ask a native what they think about illegal immigration, the answer might
shock ya!

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It does not matter what the circumstances were, there is no excuse fo this to be spoken in any context.

but chanting "Lock her up!" is allowed?

President Trump didn't chant that - I think you're experiencing context
issues. Rally attendees can chant whatever they want, but when a
congresswoman chants something about a co-worker (Trump) it makes for an unproductive future.

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On 2019 Jun 10 20:35:04, you wrote to me:

ORLY? how does my above statement about what is going in here in the
US have anything to do with US Sovereignty? that's a completely
different topic and one not under discussion in this thread...

No it's one in the same, it was your very first sentence.

sorry? what first sentence?

come again? what rights of yours are they violating if they break a
law somewhere?

Then the second sentence you went on to another topic, talking about domestic terrorists. Deliberately changing the subject,

not changing the subject... pointing out the fallacy of the arguments... "you" carry on about so-called illegal immigrants yet say nothing about non-immigrants who are killing and terrorizing our country...

far be it for Conservative to make a valid point.

it has nothing to do with being a so-called conservative...

[trim]

To date all you want to ask is, Does their actions affect me
personally,

i have not asked that at all...

and yet and still - totally and completely ignoring that the act is
wrong.

the act of domestic terrorism is certainly wrong... entering this country and asking for asylum is not wrong...

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On 2019 Jun 10 20:47:16, you wrote to me:

It does not matter what the circumstances were, there is no excuse
for this to be spoken in any context.

but chanting "Lock her up!" is allowed?

Absolutely!
It's called demanding justice.

really?

She smashed up blackberry's and treated hard-drives to bleach-bit and deleted thirty thousand emails,

suggest you take that up with her lawyers... they were the ones that did that...

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On 2019 Jun 11 08:57:10, you wrote to me:

NOBODY is "entitled" to break our Laws and invade our country just
because the one they live in and born in is a "shit hole".

i wonder what the native american's thought about that...

Ask a native what they think about illegal immigration, the answer
might shock ya!

i doubt that ;)

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On 2019 Jun 11 09:02:58, you wrote to me:

It does not matter what the circumstances were, there is no excuse
fo this to be spoken in any context.

but chanting "Lock her up!" is allowed?

President Trump didn't chant that

i didn't say that he did... i will say that he incited it, though...

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There is a crime if the firing was done with criminal intent, e.g. to twart the investigation into his wrong doings. That is just one of the ten documented examples of obstruction in the Mueller report. Read it.

All of this was and still is a complete waste of time.
The report came out sometime ago, if there was anything in there to ACT upon those actions would of already taken place by now.

The findings are concluded and it is finally over, the investigation was the final curtain, you can twist it and turn it into any shape that you wish, but at the end of the day it changes nothing.

Donald J. Trump is still the President and he will be the President until the end of his next term 2024, so get use it & stop being so triggered.

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On 11 Jun 2019, mark lewis said the following...

On 2019 Jun 10 20:47:16, you wrote to me:

It does not matter what the circumstances were, there is no excuse
for this to be spoken in any context.

but chanting "Lock her up!" is allowed?

Absolutely!
It's called demanding justice.

really?

Most Seriously..
Of course still I think the ways are best.
Tarred and Feathered and carried through the cobblestone streets of Boston.

She smashed up blackberry's and treated hard-drives to bleach-bit and deleted thirty thousand emails,

suggest you take that up with her lawyers... they were the ones that did that...

I do not believe that any lawyer would have the ability to save her, better
buy a small island somewhere and fall off the face of the earth.

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Hello Dale,

DS> You need to examine that quote in the context and circumstances in which
DS> it was made.

GD> It does not matter what the circumstances were, there is no excuse
for
GD> this to be spoken in any context.

Why not -- it is a perfectly conservative and practical approach to the situation.

GD> How can there be any impeachment or any indictment when there was no
GD> crime? To spite whatever back door Robert Mueller wants to leave
open.

Once again, you are proving that you have not bothered to read the
Mueller report and are accepting the word of Barr. The Mueller report outlines multiple occasions which would give rise to a charge and
probable conviction of anyone other than the sitting president.

Over a thousand former federal prosecutors, without rebuttal,
have said that.

GD> The investigation is completed and so is the opportunity for an
GD> encore.

Not an encore -- things are still going on.

Mueller's written report is finished. However, several individuals
who have been indicted have yet to be tried in court.

There is no possibility of prison when there is no crime.

That is not for you to say. It is for the courts to say. And multiple
legal experts have publically stated that there are ten cases of
obstruction of justice which will be prosecutable if Trump is not
reelected.

That is an opinion, not based on precedent. AG Elliot Richardson
had threatened to indict VP Spiro Agnew, and was prepared to do so.
After thinking it over, Agnew decided to resign from office rather
than fight a battle in court, as Richardson had the goods on him.

After the Starr Report was made public, the doj issued an opinion
that a sitting president could not be indicted. That is based on
a prior opinion of the doj after the Agnew fiasco.

Since there is no precedent, the question as whether a sitting
president/vice president can or cannot be indicted remains open.

Should it be doj policy to indict a sitting president or vice
president? Or should it be left up to the Congress to decide how
to deal with a president/vice president who has broken the law?

The House can choose to act as prosecutor and jury, without
sending the issue to the Senate for removal from office. IOW,
the House can, in effect, try the president or vice president
for crime(s) committed, vote to condemn (guilty verdict), then
send him on his merry way - without removal from office.

This would deny the Senate from exonerating the guilty.

As for his chances on being re-elected, I would say the following,
they are dam good, the country is doing much better then when Obama was >GD>re-elected for a second term.

However, what is it from your perspective that the President is guilty >GD>of? I really want you to think about that. First let me enlighten you >GD>on what it can't be. The firing of James Comey, The FBI Director
serves at the word of the
President of which is (or was in this case) his boss.
Which means there was no crime committed with his firing.

There is a crime if the firing was done with criminal intent, e.g. to
twart the investigation into his wrong doings. That is just one of the
ten documented examples of obstruction in the Mueller report. Read it.

What is the definition of "high crimes and misdemeanors"?
The news media had asked Vice President Ford that very question
when he assumed office, as President Nixon was being threatened
with impeachment by the House. President Ford gave the best
answer that could possibly be given - "Whatever the Congress
says it is."

--Lee

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Hello mark,

GD>>> Their statements are outrageous as they also treasonous. Nasty
Nancy
GD>>> saying that "I do not want to see the President impeached, I want
to
GD>>> see him in Prison."

DS>> You need to examine that quote in the context and circumstances in
DS>> which it was made.

GD> It does not matter what the circumstances were, there is no excuse
for
GD> this to be spoken in any context.

but chanting "Lock her up!" is allowed?

Only if it's a she.

Not sure what the chant will be if he loses to Mayor Pete.

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Hello Aaron,

You are wrong. Most constitution protections apply to undocumented >DS>immigrants. All are entitiled to a fair trial, and to most of the rest >DS>of the protections afforded to you and me.

It's all good. I have absolutely no need for money and have no problem
paying the world's medical bills.

If you took a vacation to France and had a medical emergency,
the French would fix you up with a bottle of cognac and send
you on your way.

If you took a vacation to England and had a medical emergency,
the Brits would fix you up with a bottle of rum and send you on
your way.

If you took a vacation to Russia and had a medical emergency,
the Russians would fix you up with a bottle of vodka and send
you on your way.

If you took a vacation to Japan and had a medical emergency,
the Japanese would fix you up with a bottle of sake and send
you on your way.

If you took a vacation to Louisiana and had a medical emergency,
Cajuns would fix you up with a bottle of absinthe and send you on
your way.

If you took a vacation to Utah and had a medical emergency,
Mormons would fix you up with a bottle of <i will not say it
i will not say it> and never let you leave.

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Hello Greg,

It does not matter what the circumstances were, there is no excuse fo >ml>GD>this to be spoken in any context.

but chanting "Lock her up!" is allowed?

Absolutely!
It's called demanding justice.

It wasn't that long ago that black folks who were falsely accused
by an unruly mob demanding the same kind of "justice".

She smashed up blackberry's and treated hard-drives to bleach-bit and
deleted thirty thousand emails, that were under subpoena for her to surrender. Then she has the audacity to claim that "there is nothing to see here." Then to additionally claim that she is innocent. rrrrright. Guilty
100 percent.

Hillary Clinton is the most investigated person in the US.
The director of the FBI concluded no crime was committed.
Given the claims you making are totally unsupported and
unsubstantiated, it should come as no surprise that nobody,
including the current director of the FBI, believes they
are credible.

Therefore, why should anybody believe she is guilty of anything?
Aside from marrying a guy named Bill.

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It wasn't that long ago that black folks who were falsely accused
by an unruly mob demanding the same kind of "justice".

Thank goodness, that more and more African-Americans (more to come) are no longer looking to the Democrats for solutions to the issues. All that has
been delivered in the past were empty promises, which has been seen and felt very quickly as life continues to degrade to new lows.
The expectation of hope and change just never did anything of any significance.

The job market did a complete turn around, that is the difference between
the lack of skill president (who said "The jobs are gone, and they are not coming back") vs someone who knows how to turn things around to with multiple record breaking results, and not just in the job market.

She smashed up blackberry's and treated hard-drives to bleach-bit and deleted thirty thousand emails, that were under subpoena for her to surrender. Then she has the audacity to claim that "there is nothing to s here." Then to additionally claim that she is innocent. rrrrright. Guilty 100 percent.

Hillary Clinton is the most investigated person in the US.
The director of the FBI concluded no crime was committed.

Yeah, because everyone thought that she would be Madam President.

Given the claims you making are totally unsupported and
unsubstantiated,

Currently... Perhaps... but I have a feeling that they will not remain that way. Understand that I am no nostradamus, but I predict they these so called unsupported and unsubstantiated claims will become known as facts of embarrassment.

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but chanting "Lock her up!" is allowed?

President Trump didn't chant that

i didn't say that he did... i will say that he incited it, though...

Ilhan Omar incited the synagogue shooting in Pittsburgh. Hillary Clinton incited Anthony Weiner's sexting. Andrew Cuomo incites human trafficking and drug smuggling. Everyone incites something.

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On 06-11-19 18:09, Gregory Deyss <=-
spoke to Dale Shipp about Re: Impeachment or not <=-

All of this was and still is a complete waste of time.
The report came out sometime ago, if there was anything in there to
ACT upon those actions would of already taken place by now.

Have you read the public facing part of the report? It certainly does
not sound like it.

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All of this was and still is a complete waste of time.
The report came out sometime ago, if there was anything in there to ACT upon those actions would of already taken place by now.

Have you read the public facing part of the report? It certainly does
not sound like it.

public facing part?
What does that even mean?

Do you mean to say? When will it happen, when will that day come? That the people will become so disgusted and so disenfranchised with all of the negative spin and fake news that is deliberately planted to create chaos.
When will the people become outraged enough so that they stop supporting him? When will this medicine that is being spoon-fed take and do its bidding to leave the American public brainwashed.

Your party has miscalculated and are illogical, it is sad too - they are
all wondering when all of this will happen the Presidents endgame.
The American people have eyes, and they can see of what is being attempted here. The intent is not hidden, it might as well be in plain sight.

You do not need to be a rocket scientist, to understand what it is that they are trying to do. I am going to tell right now, it will not be, even remotely of any success. They are many who are very proud that the President has withstood and continues to do so.

They had 2+ years with the brightest law minds in the country and this report is the result.

Sure there are those within the Democratic party that are connected to the hip of the very same body (the lefty media) who wanted and still do want to go after the president. They offer multiple angles of analysis hoping that vilification with be the result, as a means to discredit him.

One does not need to understand the legal mumbo-jumbo to know that there was nothing found of any significance, as it relates to the President Trump.

All they care about is the headline and the final result of the report.

N O C O L L U S I O N
N O O B S T R U C T I O N

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Hello Greg,

It wasn't that long ago that black folks who were falsely accused
by an unruly mob demanding the same kind of "justice".

Thank goodness, that more and more African-Americans (more to come) are no >longer looking to the Democrats for solutions to the issues. All that has >been delivered in the past were empty promises, which has been seen and
felt
very quickly as life continues to degrade to new lows.
The expectation of hope and change just never did anything of any
significance.

According to the most recent Quinnipiac University poll -

Among African Americans -

Joe Biden 85%
Donald Trump 12%

Hope & Change? You betchum!

Among Hispanics -

Joe Biden 58%
Donald Trump 33%

Among women -

Joe Biden 60%
Donald Trump 34%

Even among independents, the former vice president wins hands down -

Joe Biden 58%
Donald Trump 28%

Overall, among all groups -

Joe Biden 53%
Donald Trump 40%

And it is not just Joe Biden who is beating the pants
off Donald Trump -

Bernie Sanders +9
Kamala Harris +8
Elizabeth Warren +7
Pete Buttigieg +5
Cory Booker +5

Time to face the truth. The president is a loser.
Better for him to give up politics and return to his golf game.
Even if nobody else will join him on the golf course.

The job market did a complete turn around, that is the difference between
the lack of skill president (who said "The jobs are gone, and they are not >coming back") vs someone who knows how to turn things around to with
multiple
record breaking results, and not just in the job market.

He isn't getting much credit, given the looks of the latest poll
results. Must have been the Obama economy they were thinking of.

She smashed up blackberry's and treated hard-drives to bleach-bit and >LL> > deleted thirty thousand emails, that were under subpoena for her to
surrender. Then she has the audacity to claim that "there is nothing

to s

here." Then to additionally claim that she is innocent. rrrrright.

Guilty

100 percent.

Hillary Clinton is the most investigated person in the US.
The director of the FBI concluded no crime was committed.

Yeah, because everyone thought that she would be Madam President.

She received almost 3 million more votes than her nearest opponent.
Without any help from Russia. The current occupant in the White
House is not a legitimate president, and neither is his sidekick,
as they received a ton of help from Russia to get there.

Given the claims you making are totally unsupported and >LL>unsubstantiated,

Currently... Perhaps...

No evidence has been shown to date. And in this country, guilt
by accusation is not good enough to put folks in jail.

but I have a feeling that they will not remain that way.

Thank god we do not have a dictatorship. Even with a mad ruler
like what we have today, there are limits as to what he can do.

Understand that I am no nostradamus, but I predict they these so called
unsupported and unsubstantiated claims will become known as facts of embarrassment.

"If I win I am going to instruct my attorney general to get
a special prosecutor to look into your situation - there has
never been so many lies and so much deception."
~ Donald Trump, 2nd presidential debate

Really? What is he waiting for? His term in office is almost up.
Only a few months left to keep his campaign promise ...

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Hello Aaron,

ml> GD> It does not matter what the circumstances were, there is no
excuse fo
ml> GD> this to be spoken in any context.
ml>
ml> but chanting "Lock her up!" is allowed?

President Trump didn't chant that - I think you're experiencing context >issues. Rally attendees can chant whatever they want, but when a >congresswoman chants something about a co-worker (Trump) it makes for an >unproductive future.

"If I win I am going to instruct my attorney general to get
a special prosecutor to look into your situation - there has
never been so many lies and so much deception."
~ Donald Trump, 2nd presidential debate

Hillary Clinton responded to Trump's threat to lock her up
by saying it was "awfully good" that someone with the temperament
of Trump was not in charge of the law in the country. Which
prompted Trump to respond in kind -

"Because you'd be in jail." ~Donald Trump

He continued is rant by adding -

"She got caught in a total lie and now she is blaming the lie
on the late, great Abraham Lincoln." ~Donald Trump

Go ahead. Dig out the transcripts. Read the words of your
loony tunes president as he went toe-to-toe with Secretary Clinton
in the second presidential debate.

After threatening to put her in jail, he went on to complain
about the moderators, claiming they were being easy on Clinton
while asking him all the hard questions ...

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On 2019 Jun 11 18:09:06, you wrote to Dale Shipp:

There is a crime if the firing was done with criminal intent, e.g. to
twart the investigation into his wrong doings. That is just one of
the ten documented examples of obstruction in the Mueller report.
Read it.

All of this was and still is a complete waste of time. The report came
out sometime ago, if there was anything in there to ACT upon those
actions would of already taken place by now.

you really don't have a clue how slowly the wheels of gov't work, do you?

The findings are concluded

no they are not... the investigation is concluded...

and it is finally over, the investigation was the final curtain,

no it is/was not... there is still more work to be done assembling everything to see if there is another step to be taken...

you can twist it and turn it into any shape that you wish,

same can be said to you...

but at the end of the day it changes nothing.

it could change everything... you are not prescient...

Donald J. Trump is still the President

he is, for now...

and he will be the President until the end of his next term 2024,

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so get use it & stop being so triggered.

the only one here that is triggered is you ;)

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On 2019 Jun 11 18:18:10, you wrote to me:

It does not matter what the circumstances were, there is no excuse
for this to be spoken in any context.

but chanting "Lock her up!" is allowed?

Absolutely! It's called demanding justice.

really?

Most Seriously..

you are too funny sometimes... it was a chant... not a demand... if it was a demand, who were they making the demand of? what happens when you demand something? think about it, eh? ;)

Of course still I think the ways are best. Tarred and Feathered and carried through the cobblestone streets of Boston.

of course you do...

She smashed up blackberry's and treated hard-drives to bleach-bit
and deleted thirty thousand emails,

suggest you take that up with her lawyers... they were the ones that
did that...

I do not believe that any lawyer would have the ability to save her,

trying to change the subject again? i didn't say anything about any lawyers saving her... i said they were the ones that performed those actions... reading comprehension is a GoodThing<tm>...

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On 2019 Jun 11 23:34:16, you wrote to me:

but chanting "Lock her up!" is allowed?

President Trump didn't chant that

i didn't say that he did... i will say that he incited it, though...

Ilhan Omar incited the synagogue shooting in Pittsburgh. Hillary
Clinton incited Anthony Weiner's sexting. Andrew Cuomo incites human trafficking and drug smuggling. Everyone incites something.

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i thought this was a political echo, not a jokes echo... you guys are too funny!!

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"Because you'd be in jail." ~Donald Trump

That's not actually a lie - he wasn't the president when she went on her
crime spree.

"If I win I am going to instruct my attorney general to get
a special prosecutor to look into your situation - there has

How do we know he didn't have it looked into?

Go ahead. Dig out the transcripts. Read the words of your
loony tunes president as he went toe-to-toe with Secretary Clinton
in the second presidential debate.

Watching the debates made me feel bad for Hillary because she was so weak and easy to beat. I bet it made Trump feel bad to talk to a lady like that, but
it was pretty much all the truth. Then the guy went on to fulfill many of his promises; notvery common for elected officials.

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According to the most recent Quinnipiac University poll -

Didn't you learn anything the last time, that people were quoting information from the polls?

Apparently not, just gonna have to wait and be patient. I am not remotely concerned nor am I worried.

When Donald Trump wins in a landslide, I will be here to say "Told ya so! "

"If I win I am going to instruct my attorney general to get
a special prosecutor to look into your situation - there has
never been so many lies and so much deception."
~ Donald Trump, 2nd presidential debate

Really? What is he waiting for? His term in office is almost up.
Only a few months left to keep his campaign promise ...

We are in the year 2019 and the election is not until 2020, are you drinking again?

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no it is/was not... there is still more work to be done assembling everything to see if there is another step to be taken...

It's Over! There will be nothing of any significance coming from it.
To spite what backdoor that they built into it.

A couple of weeks I typed what his finding were or more importantly what they were not.

the only one here that is triggered is you ;)

No Mark, I am not remotely triggered, I am not the one talking about how this circus of a investigation was going to be the end of Donald Trump, I am also not the one who points to falsehoods and other lefty fake news about the President.

Yeah so NO, I am not the one who is triggered, just as I was not one who
was triggered before he was elected, when I in several messages within
fidonet explained of my positivity for Donald Trump, I was laughed at, snickered at, and made fun of, I was told in many different ways that I was out of my mind, and that there was no way that Donald Trump would ever be the President.

well.. well.. well.. tisk-tisk. Where are these loud mouths now? Hiding?
That's ok... I like winning, specially when I'm right.

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I do not believe that any lawyer would have the ability to save her,

trying to change the subject again? i didn't say anything about any lawyers saving her... i said they were the ones that performed those actions... reading comprehension is a GoodThing<tm>...

I really wasn't... but tell me Mark, did these lawyers take it upon themselves to do this? That's kinda of strange, don't ya think? Lawyers doing such things that another hired thug could do just as effectively. I wonder if these people were real lawyers or just people dressed up in a pant suit, just like the witch who hired them.

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On 2019 Jun 12 18:27:00, you wrote to me:

no it is/was not... there is still more work to be done assembling
everything to see if there is another step to be taken...

It's Over!

it is not over... look at how it goes with the police... same thing... they investigate and write a report then the prosecutor decides if they are going to go to the grand jury and see what the grand jury says... if they say trial, then it goes to trial... it may be a year or more... the investigation may be several years, too... it doesn't all happen at the drop of a hat or snap of the fingers...

There will be nothing of any significance coming from it.

you are not prescient... you do not know...

To spite what backdoor that they built into it.

what??? "to spite"?? who is going to spite something?? what ""backdoor"" are you thinking of? have you even read the report???

A couple of weeks I typed what his finding were or more importantly

what??? "couple of week i typed"??? dude, you make no sense at times...

the only one here that is triggered is you ;)

No Mark, I am not remotely triggered,

really?

I am not the one talking about how this circus of a investigation was going to be the end of Donald Trump,

no, you're one of the ones trying to say the report exhonerates him and it doesn't... you are taking the word of someone else and believing what they said and it is known that they falsified what the report actually says... GO READ THE REPORT!

I am also not the one who points to falsehoods and other lefty fake
news about the President.

no, you point to the righty falsehoods and fake news instead...

Yeah so NO, I am not the one who is triggered, just as I was not one
who was triggered before he was elected,

i don't know who you are talking about... i'm not triggered and never have been... i knew the man was a con artist and grifter decades ago...

well.. well.. well.. tisk-tisk. Where are these loud mouths now? Hiding? That's ok... I like winning, specially when I'm right.

right leaning, maybe... but not correct in this situation about the report and what it says... instead you have wool pulled over your eyes and cannot see the road... have fun as you continue to drive blindly around...

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On 2019 Jun 12 18:39:48, you wrote to me:

I do not believe that any lawyer would have the ability to save her,

trying to change the subject again? i didn't say anything about any
lawyers saving her... i said they were the ones that performed those
actions... reading comprehension is a GoodThing<tm>...

I really wasn't...

sure, jan...

but tell me Mark, did these lawyers take it upon themselves to do
this? That's kinda of strange, don't ya think?

they were hired to do a job and they did it as they saw fit within the law...

Lawyers doing such things that another hired thug could do just as effectively.

"another hired thug"??? what thug was hired in the first place?

I wonder if these people were real lawyers or just people dressed up
in a pant suit, just like the witch who hired them.

dude, you really need to get off whatever it is that you're smoking or drinking... it has you all eff'ed up...

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have you even read the report???

Reading the report is a huge waste of time which is equal to the amount of
time wasted that it took to write it.

It must of been an absolutely awful feeling to the reader once they realize that there is nothing within those 400+ pages that speaks to a crime being committed by the President. All of that hoping, that there would be something found and having those unproductive days at work as you stare out the window and day dream of the President being indicted and / or impeached and then poof those images within your mind are gone within an instant.

So where does it go from here? Try this on for size, see how this fits?
You or others will try to convince whomever will listen that there is still hope and there will be something found within the colossal amount of pages
that make up the report. It will be a revelation! It will be something that
was missed before and now is new again, and it will accomplish all those
things that you had hoped for when you were reading at the beginning of the document.
Sound at all familiar?

There is no way, that this is going to happen, as it is a fantasy, not to mention abnormal behavior to think of such things. Then again, it is called
the Trump Derangement Syndrome for a reason..

I listened to his press release on the day the report was released. Then I
very carefully watched and listened to his spoken word that was provided
weeks later by the man himself at his televised press conference.

That is good enough for me, as it should be good enough for anyone.

There is no crime that was committed by Donald Trump. Therefore it is not possible for a indictment to be created, just as it would be illogical for impeachment to be brought forth.

Like I said before it is over!

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On 06-12-19 08:40, Gregory Deyss <=-
spoke to Dale Shipp about Re: Impeachment or not <=-

All of this was and still is a complete waste of time.
The report came out sometime ago, if there was anything in there to ACT upon those actions would of already taken place by now.

Have you read the public facing part of the report? It certainly does
not sound like it.

public facing part?
What does that even mean?

It means that part of the report that is available to the public, i.e.
every thing except what has been redacted by the Attorney General, Barr.

Do you mean to say? When will it happen, when will that day come? That

I mean to say exactly what I said, a direct question. Have *you* read
the Mueller report?

One does not need to understand the legal mumbo-jumbo to know that
there was nothing found of any significance, as it relates to the President Trump.

False.

All they care about is the headline and the final result of the
report.
N O C O L L U S I O N
N O O B S T R U C T I O N

That is what Barr said, it is not the Mueller report said. Do yourself
a favor -- read the Mueller Report itself. You might learn something
useful.

Dale Shipp
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On 06-12-19 18:25, Lee Lofaso <=-
spoke to Gregory Deyss about Impeachment or not <=-

Time to face the truth. The president is a loser.
Better for him to give up politics and return to his golf game.
Even if nobody else will join him on the golf course.

The only problem with that is that if he is not elected for a second
term, he will then be brought up on federal charges of at least ten
counts of obstruction of justice as documented in the un-redacted part
of the Mueller report. The statue of limitations will not have expired
on Jan 2021.

Dale Shipp
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On 06-12-19 22:21, Gregory Deyss <=-
spoke to Mark Lewis about Re: Impeachment or not <=-

have you even read the report???

Reading the report is a huge waste of time which is equal to the
amount of time wasted that it took to write it.

So you admit that you cannot handle the truth?

It must of been an absolutely awful feeling to the reader once they realize that there is nothing within those 400+ pages that speaks to a crime being committed by the President.

False. The elements of a crime are very carefully laid out.

I listened to his press release on the day the report was released.

Whose press release? Barr's ? Barr totally gave the wrong summary of
what the report said. And he was told so by Mueller. And then Barr
lied to Congress by denying that Mueller had expressed disagreement with
Barr. But still you trust Barr's four page summary versus what you
could learn by reading the report itself for you own eyes?

Then I very carefully watched and listened to his spoken word that was provided weeks later by the man himself at his televised press
conference.

Again, I think you mean Barr. That was where he continued to give false interpretation of what was said in the Mueller report. He was spinning
things for Trump.

That is good enough for me, as it should be good enough for anyone.

So sad.

Dale Shipp
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On 2019 Jun 12 22:21:52, you wrote to me:

have you even read the report???

Reading the report is a huge waste of time which is equal to the amount of time wasted that it took to write it.

* Noun. willful ignorance (uncountable) (idiomatic, law) A decision in bad faith to avoid becoming informed about something so as to avoid having to make undesirable decisions that such information might prompt.

* Willful blindness (sometimes called ignorance of law,[1]:761 willful ignorance or contrived ignorance or Nelsonian knowledge) is a term used in law to describe a situation in which a person seeks to avoid civil or criminal liability for a wrongful act by intentionally keeping himself or herself unaware of facts that would render him or her liable or implicated.

* used in legal contexts, the phrase "willful ignorance" has come to mean any situation in which people intentionally turn their attention away from an ethical problem that is believed to be important by those using the phrase (for instance, because the problem is too disturbing for people to want it dominating their thoughts, or from the knowledge that solving the problem would require extensive effort).


you are admitting to complete, total, and willful ignorance* as to what the report actually says, then... that's bad... really really really bad... you're taking the word of someone that you don't even know and accepting it as gospel... i thought you were a smart person that knows and understands that that's how sheep, lemmings, and fanatics are controlled... seriously, you should read the report yourself so you can make up your own mind instead of allowing an unknown to shovel shite into your head... i've read it... dale's read it... others in here have read it... are we better than you because we took the time to read the report?

i light of this admission of willful ignorance, i can go back to lurk mode and watching you exhibit said ignorance... i've gotta get some more tape to wrap my ribs from all the laughing, though...

BTW: in case you can't tell, this conversation between us is over...

PS: random tagline but it fits perfectly :ROTFL:

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So you admit that you cannot handle the truth?

When there is no smoking gun, clearly one can determine the gun did not fire.

It must of been an absolutely awful feeling to the reader once they realize that there is nothing within those 400+ pages that speaks to crime being committed by the President.

False. The elements of a crime are very carefully laid out.

elements? more like vague accusations that allow the reader to lean right or left - which ever political party that the reader affiliates with.

Poorly written, there are no clear and decisive facts and no clear language that a crime was committed by Donald John Trump.
(again this was deliberately written in the way.)

It is the way it goes when you have to make stuff as you go. Dancing around making fantastic and alarming statements, coming dangerously close and then dialing it back, because those thoughts and feelings can not be proven.
In America we all (including Trump) We ALL are innocent, until proven guilty.

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Hello Dale,

Time to face the truth. The president is a loser.
Better for him to give up politics and return to his golf game.
Even if nobody else will join him on the golf course.

The only problem with that is that if he is not elected for a second
term, he will then be brought up on federal charges of at least ten
counts of obstruction of justice as documented in the un-redacted part
of the Mueller report. The statue of limitations will not have expired
on Jan 2021.

The poll numbers do not look favorable for the golden one.
His highest job approval ratings are 42%, which is where he
is now. And he is losing big time to his most likely opponent
by a landslide. Pretty much the only way he can win is if
everybody else dies, including third party candidates.

That means the only way he can stay in office is by refusing
to leave. As commander in chief, he can order the troops to
surround the palace (white house) and refuse entry to whoever
comes knocking on the door.

Problem is, 1600 Pennsylvania Avenue is public housing. We
the people can turn out the lights, and leave the occupant without
electricity or running water. Not sure how he would be able to
communicate without his tweets ...

--Lee

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Hello Dale,

ml> have you even read the report???

GD> Reading the report is a huge waste of time which is equal to the
GD> amount of time wasted that it took to write it.

So you admit that you cannot handle the truth?

OMG! You are beginning to sound like Jack Nicholson! Please don't
tell me you are not who I think you are! Even though the Lakers were
truly bad this year. So bad they could not win even with LeBron ...

.... or get the #1 draft pick (Pelicans beat them to that)

--Lee

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Hello Greg,

So you admit that you cannot handle the truth?

When there is no smoking gun, clearly one can determine the gun did not
fire.

Donald Trump fired James Comey because he was investigating
Russian interference in the US presidential election, including
their connection with the Trump campaign.

It must of been an absolutely awful feeling to the reader once they >DS>GD>realize that there is nothing within those 400+ pages that speaks to >DS>GD>crime being committed by the President.

False. The elements of a crime are very carefully laid out.

elements? more like vague accusations that allow the reader to lean right or
left - which ever political party that the reader affiliates with.

Regardless of party affiliation, no man is above the law. Including
the POTUS. Bob Mueller is a Republican, but his motivation to do his
job had nothing to do with party politics, but rather of enforcing
the law. The law is not what Donald Trump says, regardless of how
many times he might try to convince you of that.

Poorly written, there are no clear and decisive facts and no clear language
that a crime was committed by Donald John Trump. (again this was
deliberately written in the way.)

1000+ former federal prosecutors say you are wrong. It may be that
you do not understand the words written by special counsel Bob Mueller,
but whose fault is that?

It is the way it goes when you have to make stuff as you go.

Bob Mueller is not the kind of guy who makes stuff up.
Although he is a man of few words, he means what he says,
and says what he means. We all found that out when he
finally came out and gave a short speech on the matter.

Dancing around making fantastic and alarming statements, coming dangerously
close and then dialing it back, because those thoughts and feelings can not be proven.

Sounds like a guy in bright orange hair we know all too well ...

In America we all (including Trump) We ALL are innocent, until proven
guilty.

"Ultimately, I'm always right." ~Donald Trump, 6/12/2019

"If I win I am going to instruct my attorney general to get a special prosecutor to look into your situation - there have been so many lies
and so much deception." ~Donald Trump, 2nd presidential debate

Guilt by accusation. No need for a trial. Just lock her up.

I'm sure Hillary was quaking in her boots. Bill too.

--Lee

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Donald Trump fired James Comey because he was investigating
Russian interference in the US presidential election, including
their connection with the Trump campaign.

The President does not need a reason to fire the FBI Director. The FBI Director serves at the will of the President.

Regardless of party affiliation, no man is above the law. Including
the POTUS. Bob Mueller is a Republican, but his motivation to do his
job had nothing to do with party politics, but rather of enforcing
the law. The law is not what Donald Trump says, regardless of how
many times he might try to convince you of that.

You say that Robert Mueller is a stand up guy, ok I'll take that at face value but what about the other cast of players that made up the team.
It would appear that there were some real snakes in that group.

Just follow the money.
https://preview.tinyurl.com/y9xwzcze

Bob Mueller is not the kind of guy who makes stuff up.
Although he is a man of few words, he means what he says,
and says what he means. We all found that out when he
finally came out and gave a short speech on the matter.

Yes I know, I watched it. He did appear to be clear and concise.
(and yet Mueller did not speak of a crime that was committed by Trump)

This is not the gotcha moment that everyone was hoping for, not by a long
shot. Before the report was out, the left was praising him and placing him upon the highest pedestal known to exist as they were impatiently waiting
with vengeance upon their faces.
- they did seem like they wanted to be carrying pitchforks.

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seriously, you should read the report yourself so you can
make up your own mind instead of allowing an unknown to shovel shite
into your head... i've read it... dale's read it... others in here have read it... are we better than you because we took the time to read the report?

Challenge Accepted.
Ok, I'll read it, let me know where to get it.
I want the same version you and Dale have read.

I will put the url onto a thumb drive and then take it into staples or the UPS store for printing, I will have it hole punched it and have it put into a binder for reading.

BTW: in case you can't tell, this conversation between us is over...

Ok Mark, that is fine, it's been fun as well as enjoyable.

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Yes I know, I watched it. He did appear to be clear and concise.
(and yet Mueller did not speak of a crime that was committed by Trump)

That is 100% correct.

Things can be proven however by the proof of the inexistence of the opposite, Science is full of it.

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On 06-13-19 22:25, Gregory Deyss <=-
spoke to Mark Lewis about Re: Impeachment or not <=-

seriously, you should read the report yourself so you can
make up your own mind instead of allowing an unknown to shovel shite
into your head... i've read it... dale's read it... others in here have read it... are we better than you because we took the time to read the report?

Challenge Accepted.
Ok, I'll read it, let me know where to get it.
I want the same version you and Dale have read.

There are many sources of the full redacted report. Do a google search
on Mueller report full text and pick your favorite one.

Here is just one of many: https://www.npr.org/2019/04/18/708850903/read-the-full-mueller-report-with-reda ctions

I don't think that you can claim that NPR is a biased organization.
(you may need to piece the URL together because of word wrap problems.)
Or, use
https://tinyurl.com/npr-mueller-rpt

I will put the url onto a thumb drive and then take it into staples or
the UPS store for printing, I will have it hole punched it and have it
put into a binder for reading.

It is a PDF file, you can read it on most computers without printing it.

Dale Shipp
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On 2019 Jun 13 22:25:24, you wrote to me:

seriously, you should read the report yourself so you can make up
your own mind instead of allowing an unknown to shovel shite into
your head... i've read it... dale's read it... others in here have
read it... are we better than you because we took the time to read
the report?

Challenge Accepted.

it isn't a challenge...

Ok, I'll read it, let me know where to get it.

i've already sent you the link... back on the 23rd of May... but here is that message again...

==== Begin "mueller_report.txt" ====
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Msg : 5771 of 5982 Snt Loc
From : mark lewis 1:3634/12.73 2019 05 23 09:54:30
To : Gregory Deyss
Subj : Well said, Mr. President ===============================================================================

On 2019 May 23 07:30:08, you wrote to Dale Shipp:

It was not determined that there was no obstruction -- Mueller's
report documented evidence of at least ten instances for which Trump
would have been charged if he were not a sitting President.

It also says within the 400+ pages there was No Collusion and No Obstruction - perhaps you read it.

the only occurances of "no collusion" in that document are quotes from others... the report, itself, does not state there was no collusion...

the phrase "no obstruction" does not appear in the document at all...

the two volume pdf is here...

https://www.justice.gov/storage/report.pdf

have *you* read it? from your writings, it seems not... from your writings, you're swimming nostril deep in the koolaid...

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I want the same version you and Dale have read.

there's only one version available from the official US government site...

I will put the url onto a thumb drive and then take it into staples or
the UPS store for printing, I will have it hole punched it and have it
put into a binder for reading.

just read it in the pdf... why waste the trees printing it out? you read these electronic messages just fine so why can't you read the pdf the same way?

BTW: in case you can't tell, this conversation between us is over...

Ok Mark, that is fine, it's been fun as well as enjoyable.

not really...

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Hello Ward,

Yes I know, I watched it. He did appear to be clear and concise.
(and yet Mueller did not speak of a crime that was committed by Trump)

That is 100% correct.

Mueller did not exonerate Trump of having committed any crimes,
citing at least 10 instances dealing with obstruction of justice
in which Trump may be guilty.

Please do get your facts right.

Things can be proven however by the proof of the inexistence of the
opposite,

If it could have been shown that Trump was innocent, Bob Mueller
publicly stated he would have said so in his report. Fact is, he
did not exonerate Trump, citing "insufficient evidence".

Science is full of it.

Bob Mueller and his team found some evidence of criminal wrongdoing,
which is included in the report. Please read it. It's all in there.
Just as Bob Mueller publicly stated.

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Hello Greg,

[..]

Just follow the money.
https://preview.tinyurl.com/y9xwzcze

Mueller's report is the end result.

Bob Mueller is not the kind of guy who makes stuff up.
Although he is a man of few words, he means what he says,
and says what he means. We all found that out when he
finally came out and gave a short speech on the matter.

Yes I know, I watched it. He did appear to be clear and concise.
(and yet Mueller did not speak of a crime that was committed by Trump)

Obstruction of justice is a crime. He did not exonerate Trump,
citing "insufficient evidence". Had he and his team been able to
exonerate him, Mueller would have said so. That is what he had
publicly stated, so we should take him at his word. Unless you
want to call him a liar. Which would not be advisable, given
that he is a a decorated retired Marine captain.

This is not the gotcha moment that everyone was hoping for, not by a long
shot.

Mueller certainly shot holes in AG Barr's made-up story.

Before the report was out, the left was praising him and placing him upon
the highest pedestal known to exist as they were impatiently waiting with vengeance upon their faces. - they did seem like they wanted to be carrying pitchforks.

Since Mueller came out with his public statement concerning the
Mueller report, the president and his cronies were seen scurrying
about trying to find places to hide.

And then, the former Marine left the building. Just like Elvis.

--Lee

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Hello Greg,

Donald Trump fired James Comey because he was investigating
Russian interference in the US presidential election, including
their connection with the Trump campaign.

The President does not need a reason to fire the FBI Director. The FBI
Director serves at the will of the President.

Trump wanted Comey to end the investigation into Russian interference
of our elections. Comey refused to do so, so Trump fired him. The
FBI director has a 10-year term, appointed by the president, but can
be fired for reason. Since Trump did not have a legitimate reason to
fire Comey, that could be viewed as an impeachable offense.

Regardless of party affiliation, no man is above the law. Including >LL>the POTUS. Bob Mueller is a Republican, but his motivation to do his >LL>job had nothing to do with party politics, but rather of enforcing
the law. The law is not what Donald Trump says, regardless of how
many times he might try to convince you of that.

You say that Robert Mueller is a stand up guy, ok I'll take that at face
value

He's a former Marine captain. Does things by the book. Always has.

but what about the other cast of players that made up the team.

With a Marine at the helm? You gotta be kiddin' me.

It would appear that there were some real snakes in that group.

Mueller and his team dissected one residing at 1600 Pennsylvania
Avenue, among others. Please read his report. It's all in there.

--Lee

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On 06-15-19 01:52, Lee Lofaso <=-
spoke to Ward Dossche about Impeachment or not <=-

Yes I know, I watched it. He did appear to be clear and concise.
(and yet Mueller did not speak of a crime that was committed by Trump)

That is 100% correct.

I believe that Ward was saying it is 100% correct that Mueller did not
speak of a crime by Trump -- and it is true that Mueller did not say
directly that Trump had committed a crime.

Mueller did not exonerate Trump of having committed any crimes,
citing at least 10 instances dealing with obstruction of justice
in which Trump may be guilty.

Please do get your facts right.

Things can be proven however by the proof of the inexistence of the
opposite,

If it could have been shown that Trump was innocent, Bob Mueller
publicly stated he would have said so in his report. Fact is, he
did not exonerate Trump, citing "insufficient evidence".

Your first sentence is accurate. But "insufficient evidence" is not why Mueller did not say that Trump committed the crime of obstruction. As
he carefully laid out -- Mueller was not allowed to charge a sitting
President with a crime and therefore could not say that a crime was
committed. The "insufficient evidence" had to do with the possible
charge of conspiracy in collaborating with the Russians -- mainly that
he would have had to show that they (Jr., Kushner, and Manifort) knew
that it was a violation of campaign law to accept something of value
from a foreign government. Many examples of contacts between campaign officials and foreign governments were cited, but none for which a
charge of conspiracy could be reasonably charged with expectation of conviction.

Dale Shipp
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Hello Dale,

Yes I know, I watched it. He did appear to be clear and concise.
(and yet Mueller did not speak of a crime that was committed by Trump)

That is 100% correct.

I believe that Ward was saying it is 100% correct that Mueller did not
speak of a crime by Trump -- and it is true that Mueller did not say
directly that Trump had committed a crime.

That would have been an accusation, which would have been against
doj policy (an indictment is a type of accusation, not a statement
of guilt).

Mueller did not exonerate Trump of having committed any crimes,
citing at least 10 instances dealing with obstruction of justice
in which Trump may be guilty.

Please do get your facts right.

Things can be proven however by the proof of the inexistence of the >>opposite,

If it could have been shown that Trump was innocent, Bob Mueller >LL>publicly stated he would have said so in his report. Fact is, he
did not exonerate Trump, citing "insufficient evidence".

Your first sentence is accurate.

I simply repeated what Mueller had publicly stated.

But "insufficient evidence" is not why Mueller did not say that Trump
committed the crime of obstruction.

The statement "insufficient evidence" means not enough evidence
to convict. Not that the target or subject under investigation is
innocent.

As he carefully laid out -- Mueller was not allowed to charge a sitting
President with a crime and therefore could not say that a crime was committed.

Mueller could have said anything he wanted. But under current
doj policy, he would have been out of line had he done so.

The "insufficient evidence" had to do with the possible
charge of conspiracy in collaborating with the Russians --

It is not a question of "possible" - as Mueller did not include
speculation as to what might have occurred in his report - but actual
events that happened.

mainly that he would have had to show that they (Jr., Kushner, and Manifort)
knew that it was a violation of campaign law to accept something of value from a foreign government.

We all know Trump & Co. received something of value from a hostile
power and refused to report it or turn it over to proper authorities.

Many examples of contacts between campaign officials and foreign governments
were cited, but none for which a charge of conspiracy could be reasonably charged with expectation of conviction.

Not with a yes man as AG and a compliant Republican Senate.

--Lee

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