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    From Lee Lofaso@2:221/360 to Mike Powell on Sat May 18 19:46:04 2019
    Hello Mike,

    The candidates would campaign differently, and visit more places.
    The electoral college process is far more limiting, resulting in
    much fewer campaign stops for candidates.

    No, you have that wrong. Remember, that is what Hilarious tried (fewer >stops) and it DID NOT WORK. If there was no electoral college, what she did >would have worked. She would only need to campaign and play to the areas >that Bob listed. She'd never visit Kentucky or any state that surrounds it >(except maybe Northern Virginia). She'd certainly have gotten away with >ignoring Wisconsin and Michigan.

    Both candidates would have played the game far differently had
    there been no electoral college process. Who would have won under
    those conditions is anybody's guess. Some would say Clinton, based
    on her results from the election held under electoral college rules.
    But that is speculative.

    Before the election, Donald Trump said publicly he would prefer
    a popular vote than the current electoral college process. After
    the election, he changed his mind. As for who would have won had
    it been a popular vote, Trump admitted the race would have been
    contested by both candidates differently.

    Trump also claimed the election was rigged, with lots of "fake"
    votes having been counted for his opponent. Meaning he was the
    one who got the most popular votes. After all, he counted those
    votes himself ...

    IOW, the electoral college process is nothing more than a polite
    fiction. A means to con the electorate into believing it is taking
    part in a fair election.

    The only times it has been "unfair" is when a Democrat has not managed to
    win it.

    Gore v. Bush

    Total votes cast - 9

    GWB - 5
    Al Gore 4

    The closest election in US history.

    --Lee

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    Everybody Loves Our Buns

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  • From Lee Lofaso@2:221/360 to Aaron Thomas on Sat May 18 19:46:18 2019
    Hello Aaron,

    IOW, the electoral college process is nothing more than a polite >LL>fiction. A means to con the electorate into believing it is taking >LL>part in a fair election.

    But it works great when it gets Indonesians elected :)

    I haven't seen many Indonesians with orange hair.
    Except for Clyde the Orangatun, who starred in some
    of Clint Eastwood's finest films ...

    --Lee

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    Your Hole Is Our Goal

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  • From Lee Lofaso@2:221/360 to Mike Powell on Sun May 19 22:50:44 2019
    Hello Mike,

    When put in its proper perspective, i,e, the President is chosen by the
    States
    and not by the people, it makes perfect sense.

    Correct.

    Our head of government, i.e. the Prime Minister, is not elected either and
    I
    think that's true for about every other country around here.

    The difference, I think, lies in the amount of power the head of state
    gets.

    Or maybe the perceived amount of power. I don't think that the President
    has as much power as we citizens perceive the position to have. They get >blamed, and credited, for a lot of things they don't really have much true >participation in.

    Which is the reality? Power, or the perception of power?

    Is power a reality, or is it a perception? Trump tries to
    give everybody the impression that he is the wealthiest person
    on the face of this planet. Not that he is.

    I'll agree with that. The presidency is a weak office, as given
    in the US Constitution. Article I is about the Congress, noting
    the office of US Representative first. Article II is about the
    Executive Branch, noting the office of President sixth. Pretty
    low in order of importance (amount of power), in my opinion.
    Article III is about the Judicial Branch, whose members are
    appointed rather than elected.

    --Lee

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    It Ain't Payday If It Ain't Nuts In Your Mouth

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  • From Aaron Thomas@1:123/525 to Lee Lofaso on Sun May 19 01:03:42 2019
    Your Hole Is Our Goal

    You're QWK reader does Democrat taglines? :)

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  • From Lee Lofaso@2:221/360 to Aaron Thomas on Sat May 25 00:05:16 2019
    Hello Aaron,

    Your Hole Is Our Goal

    You're QWK reader does Democrat taglines? :)

    I'll have to update them. Last time I did was after
    the women's march in DC. Not sure if they were Democrats
    or Republicans. But Madonna was there, and we all know
    what she wanted to do with the White House. :)

    --Lee

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    As Good As It Looks

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